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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Doing that will literally kill off a chunk of the Republican base.
I guess we'll find out in a few years. Paul Ryan at least isn't going to stop trying to kill Medicare. It's the white whale to his Ahab.
It will also kill off even more of the Democratic voter base — remember, most of the poor people voted for HRC this year.
edited 12th Dec '16 6:08:44 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedKreiger ,
It's true, we liberals have almost completely eliminated conservatives from the academy. I find that disgusting, especially since academics are supposed to be about exposure to people and ideas you don't agree with.
I find the impulse to avoid or supress disliked opinions incredibly cowardly, dishonest and anti intellectual.
I'm here because I don't agree with social justice and most of you do. I'm reading von Mises right now specifically because I don't agree with libertarianism. I prefer this to circles of confirmation bias because I grow by testing my assumptions.
The social justice, anti free speech campus thing does the opposite. Also , in my experience, if you think a large group of people are stupid or evil, it's an excellent indication you don't understand it.
edited 12th Dec '16 6:11:58 AM by garridob
Great men are almost never good men, they say. One wonders what philosopher of the good would value the impotence of his disciples.Who did I discuss? Am I not allowed to discuss Trump or heterodox academy?
Also, is it okay to tell people fuck you? Just wondering about Kreiger.
Thanks.
edited 12th Dec '16 6:17:44 AM by garridob
Great men are almost never good men, they say. One wonders what philosopher of the good would value the impotence of his disciples.I think that it is certainly possible that at least SOME of the Republican electorate will become bitter over the fact that their health care has been gutted. The right-wing propaganda machine has made a lot of their base hate democrats and liberals uncritically but I don't know how many of them are so indoctrinated that they will ignore how much worse their lives are in the new government. They might not go so far as to vote Democrat in the next election, but I think there will likely be a collapse in turnout for Trump if he keeps fucking things up as much as he is.
The undecideds especially are not going to look favorably upon Trump for basically running the country into the ground and could easily be swayed to vote Democrat with the right candidate, campaign and message.
If the GOP really does try to kill Social Security, Medicare, and the ACA while providing tax cuts to the rich, then it will prove beyond a doubt that they just don't give a fuck about anyone but rich people.
Thanks to this election, the GOP believes they have a mandate to go nuts. Let's see what they do with it.
edited 12th Dec '16 6:28:59 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedgarridob will be enjoying a vacation of indeterminate length from OTC.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"It does that a not insignificant number of Trump voters feel that Medicare and Social Security are untouchable, my parents included.
Whether they would actually react negatively to seeing both those programs go away is a little less clear. To use a personal example my mother might actually be swayed against Trump if that happened, but she actually works in the assisted living/ nursing home industry so she gets to see first hand the good all of those programs do. My father on the other hand probably wouldn't care as strongly and might even be slightly for it since he's much more overtly racist and "anti-socialist".
...But...but...those are the same fucking thing. SMH
...anyway, now that that GOP has practically unlimited authority, we will finally know what they are.
Fitting that it was the founder of their party who once said "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
edited 12th Dec '16 6:48:50 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedThey're the same thing, but the Republicans and Fox News exclusively referred to it as Obamacare while the rest of the news flipped back and forth. I think the newspapers mostly called it the ACA. So when part of the media is demonizing something called Obamacare, and others are praising something called the ACA, it's easy to get the impression that they're not both the same thing. Especially since the Republicans and Fox News flat lied about what it contained.
edited 12th Dec '16 6:52:30 AM by Zendervai
They demonized it pretty successfully here in the south among the poorest sections of the population. State governments themselves are the ones that defunded medicaid into nonexistence and then claim "Obama did it", and people happily repeat the line long enough until they start to believe it. The gap is a disgrace but it's not one the president intentionally created.
edited 12th Dec '16 6:52:55 AM by carbon-mantis
x2 Ideally? We need to have a do-over election. No Russian interference, no inter-government interference, and see if the people who weren't bigots that voted for Trump change their minds considering how he's acted over the last month.
Realistically? Probably nothing. Even if Comey is formally charged with violating the Hatch Act, Trump will probably pardon him once elected. Yes, I'm a pessimistic mood today.
edited 12th Dec '16 7:05:45 AM by speedyboris
#DownWithDonald
#MakeAmericaSaneAgain
#Where'sMyMedicaid
There are even a number that are already in heavy use. #Resist, #TheResistance, #NotMyPresident and #AuditTheVote are some of the more popular ones.
Also, #Treason was trending on Twitter last night. If you clicked on it, the first result was Trump's official account. Just sayin'.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."Don't worry, #FuckTrump and #DumpTrump are seeing some heavy usage as well, particularly the second one. There's also #DonTheCon, #LockHimUp and #ImpeachTrump. Plus #TrumpLeaks, for cataloguing Trump's ceaseless scandals and dishonesty.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent.""There’s some fear among the folks here, that the firewall will get diminished and attacked and this could fall victim to propaganda," the Republican official said. "They will hire the person they want, the current CEO does not stand a chance. This will pop up on Steve Bannon’s radar quickly. They are going to put a friendly person in that job.”
Trump to inherit state-run TV network with expanded reach
I would say America had a good run but...it didn't
New Survey coming this weekend!In Dumb Trump Things, albeit in the "too late, man" category: In which he promises to cut costs from the F-35 project
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Mind you, this is after they finally got things in the air without it catching fire and began pushing unit costs downwards.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
