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OrionAurora Constellation from Andromeda Galaxy Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
Constellation
#161651: Dec 11th 2016 at 9:30:46 PM

Trump said. "You have North Korea. You have nuclear weapons and China could solve that problem and they're not helping us at all."

Donald, shut up. Please for the love god shut up.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#161652: Dec 11th 2016 at 9:30:48 PM

GOD FUCKING DAMMMIT.

WHY?!

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Shippudentimes Since: Dec, 2012
#161653: Dec 11th 2016 at 9:31:23 PM

Hope you're happy, Putin. Hope you're happy,

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#161654: Dec 11th 2016 at 9:31:55 PM

Meh. China can't do anything to us or the West is the thing. They can barely exist outside their own borders and are a good 40 years behind the other great powers in terms of technology and capabilities. We'll be fine.

Taiwan won't be though.

edited 11th Dec '16 9:32:31 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#161655: Dec 11th 2016 at 9:32:42 PM

[up] Watch as Trump tries to station nuclear missiles there to deter a Chinese invasion.

edited 11th Dec '16 9:34:29 PM by CaptainCapsase

JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#161656: Dec 11th 2016 at 9:39:15 PM

In other news, Boeing conducts a deal with Iran Air giving a totally not veiled f—k you to the Pres-Elect.

Boeing announced a $16.6 billion deal on Sunday to sell planes to Iran, which for decades had been economically blacklisted by the United States. The company instead chose to emphasize how many jobs the sale would support.

“Today’s agreement will support tens of thousands of U.S. jobs” associated with the production and delivery of the planes, Boeing said in its news release.

The intended recipient of Boeing’s message clearly seemed to be President-elect Donald J. Trump.

Its carefully worded statement is emblematic of the tightrope that America’s biggest exporters are walking amid his threats to shake up trade policy and undo the Obama administration’s nuclear accord with Iran. That agreement lifted the American sanctions on Iran, making Boeing’s jet deal possible.

Mr. Trump has talked about imposing tariffs on imports from China and on American companies that move jobs to Mexico and other countries. But he has not said much about how some of America’s major manufacturing companies, like Boeing and General Electric, and their workers could be hurt if other countries retaliated for the tariffs or if existing trade agreements were ripped up. Continue reading the main story Related Coverage

Boeing officials, already dismayed by Mr. Trump’s attack last week over the costs of a new Air Force One, acknowledged that the Iran jet deal still faced contingencies — a polite way of saying they were deeply worried about whether Mr. Trump and the Republican-led Congress would support it.

Beyond that deal, Boeing and other companies that export jet engines, high-tech products or heavy equipment — and supply some of the highest-paying manufacturing jobs — are also concerned that they could become easy targets if Mr. Trump started a trade war.

“You slap a 45 percent tariff on Chinese imports, and the Chinese suddenly acquire a fondness for Airbus jets instead of Boeing’s,” Richard L. Aboulafia, an aerospace analyst, said, referring to Boeing’s European rival.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#161657: Dec 11th 2016 at 9:52:16 PM

How effective are California's defenses against a nuclear strike from China?

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#161658: Dec 11th 2016 at 9:53:34 PM

Okay, I'm actually unclear on the order of events. Did Trump's interview where he shit-talked China come first, or China flying a nuclear plane over Taiwan? If the former came first, we may still have hope of a back-pedal, if the latter came first, we're doomed.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#161659: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:01:19 PM

I believe it was the former.

Also if China were to nuke the US, California would be gone as well as many big cities in New England

In other words, Democrats and minorities would feel the brunt the most. The people who voted against Trump.

The Mid West and Bible Belt would okay for the most part.

edited 11th Dec '16 10:01:40 PM by MadSkillz

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#161660: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:01:59 PM

[up][up] China flew the plane on Thursday. The Pentagon found out on Friday. Trump gave that interview on Sunday.

We're fucked.

edited 11th Dec '16 10:02:24 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#161661: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:02:59 PM

[up][up][up] This sort of saber rattling happened almost constantly during the cold war without it going hot, and China doesn't have a large enough nuclear arsenal to even think of using it preemptively.

Start panicking when a new nuclear arms race starts.

edited 11th Dec '16 10:04:09 PM by CaptainCapsase

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#161662: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:03:34 PM

Woops, my bad.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#161663: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:07:04 PM

Considering the antagonism building between China and Russia's conciliatory gestures towards the United States, I have to wonder if Putin is planning a power play in central Asia. That's the only geopolitical context in which Russia would actually have any geopolitical interest in improving relations with the United States. Experts predicted a breakdown of Sino-Russian relations over hegemony in central Asia would be inevitable, but that assumption got pushed back a few decades after the crisis in Crimea.

edited 11th Dec '16 10:07:24 PM by CaptainCapsase

JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#161664: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:07:27 PM

On some level the Red States should welcome the sudden depopulation of blue states, it would be like the Second Black Plague...horrific, brutal and corpses as far as they eye can see but hey, a lot of dead liberals means a lot of property is there to be distributed among the survivors.

But a nuclear attack would ruin that...the land and the buildings and areas get contaminated, and the property loses value.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#161665: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:17:04 PM

So we're going into Cold War II.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#161666: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:20:36 PM

[up]And all because one stupid little man couldn't know when to keep his fucking mouth shut. The only thing that comes close to giving me peace of mind is that we managed to survive decades of the last one before it eventually came to an end. Assuming we can't somehow stop this before it starts, then at least we'll probably survive this one too. Doesn't stop me from tensing up a bit just thinking about it though.tongue

edited 11th Dec '16 10:21:04 PM by kkhohoho

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#161667: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:30:24 PM

You assume Trump isn't doing this intentionally. The China hawks are certainly pleased with his posturing. Maybe even enough to excuse his overtures towards Russia.

edited 11th Dec '16 10:30:54 PM by CaptainCapsase

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#161668: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:35:31 PM

[up]What the hell do they have to gain from possibly starting another Cold War, aside from stroking their egos?

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#161669: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:40:04 PM

The same thing they stand to gain from knowingly fucking over the environment, destroying the lives of people who don't look like them, etc. etc.?

It's been fun.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#161670: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:45:42 PM

[up][up] Containing China, and delaying the decline of American hegemony.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#161671: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:48:02 PM

As of January 21st, 2017, an irrational actor is going to have at least nominal control over the American nuclear triad.

Dear probably non-existent God, I really hope Garcon is right about the JCS being prepared to revolt and hold a palace coup if its needed.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#161672: Dec 11th 2016 at 11:08:29 PM

So I stumbled across this rather amusing rant about "identity politics".

tl:dr; the Democrats really shouldn't be giving up identity politics. They should be fucking doubling down. Also, the GOP are massive whiny hypocrites, but that's hardly news.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#161673: Dec 11th 2016 at 11:13:00 PM

What the hell do they have to gain from possibly starting another Cold War, aside from stroking their egos?
From a slightly more pragmatic perspective, a rival to rally the nation against, which makes for easy nationalistic drums to beat in future elections.

TropesForever God forbid women do anything from wait where is she Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
God forbid women do anything
#161674: Dec 11th 2016 at 11:16:45 PM

[up]Like Palpatine.

I should never have to say that.

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JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#161675: Dec 11th 2016 at 11:17:37 PM

Starting a Cold War with China is just odd owing to the whole "They make our iPods" situation.

It's just self-defeating, and stupid.


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