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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#161376: Dec 10th 2016 at 11:46:59 AM

According to my Facebook feed, the average conservative response to the CIA's report is either this is liberal lies or it's okay since Russia exposed Clinton's corruption.

randomdude4 Since: May, 2011
#161377: Dec 10th 2016 at 11:50:18 AM

edited 11th Dec '16 8:40:07 PM by randomdude4

"Can't make an omelette without breaking some children." -Bur
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#161378: Dec 10th 2016 at 11:58:04 AM

[up][up] The hipocrisy is astounding given how corrupt Trump was before being elected, and how corrupt his government is already.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#161379: Dec 10th 2016 at 11:58:57 AM

[up][up]It's all nothing but sound and fury if it can't be proven that any laws were actually broken.

edited 10th Dec '16 12:00:02 PM by Elle

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#161380: Dec 10th 2016 at 11:59:17 AM

[up][up]It's also pretty ironic considering a common criticism of Obama was his softness towards Russia. I think there were even some conspiracy theories that he was backed by them and/or Iran during the election.

edited 10th Dec '16 11:59:33 AM by Kostya

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#161381: Dec 10th 2016 at 12:02:18 PM

Yup. If there was any, ANY doubt that Republicans genuinely hate liberals, and Democrats, this should put this to rest.

Willing to sell our their country just to score political points

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#161382: Dec 10th 2016 at 12:13:37 PM

Also proves that for all their talk, they don't really care about "family values", patriotism, democracy, or serving the people. They've become so cartoonishly horrible that it's gonna be hard to convince anyone on the fence that they're actually as bad as they are.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#161384: Dec 10th 2016 at 12:22:02 PM

It's official: Life now imitates art. We haven't just become an anime, we've become a Saturday morning cartoon. And unlike those, the bad guys aren't going get to beat at the end of the episode.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#161385: Dec 10th 2016 at 12:23:32 PM

It's pretty fucked. These people and their followers care more about party loyalty than any actual ideals. People like Evan Mc Mullin, even if I disagree with him on a lot of ideological areas, I have a lot more respect for due to his relative integrity than the Republicans, who would gladly promote Marxism-Leninism if they were bribed sufficiently hard enough. For fuck's sake the Republican Party has traditionally been the party of Russophobia. Now they're crawling all over each other to suckle Putin's anus just to spite their rivals.

[up][up] As much as I would prefer it to go to Clinton, she's "tainted". We're safer having Mc Mullin or some other moderate Republican as president as he's less likely to energize the far right to take extreme action.

edited 10th Dec '16 12:34:59 PM by AlleyOop

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#161386: Dec 10th 2016 at 12:24:04 PM

The only downside is that if Clinton does get in she's probably just going to lose again in 2020. Her opponent will probably just be a more competent version of Trump.

randomdude4 Since: May, 2011
#161387: Dec 10th 2016 at 12:24:16 PM

[up][up][up]That's why we'll beat them for the season finale.

edited 10th Dec '16 12:24:31 PM by randomdude4

"Can't make an omelette without breaking some children." -Bur
Jasaiga Since: Jan, 2015
#161388: Dec 10th 2016 at 12:25:04 PM

Mark my words.

By 2018, Hillary Clinton's approval rating will be in the upper 60s, if not low 70s. They hate her ass now, but wait till Trump fucks up majorly.

Buyer's remorse is gonna hit them like a freight train.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#161389: Dec 10th 2016 at 12:29:12 PM

It's pretty fucked. These people and their followers care more about party loyalty than any actual ideals. People like Evan Mc Mullin, even if I disagree with him on a lot of ideological areas, I have a lot more respect for due to his relative integrity than the Republicans, who would gladly promote Marxism-Leninism if they were bribed sufficiently hard enough.

Yeah, pretty much. I hope that since Mitt Romney hasn't gotten the position in Trump's cabinet he can go back to doing what he was doing before and lambasting him as a phony.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#161390: Dec 10th 2016 at 12:32:54 PM

On the other hand that he still tried to kiss Trump's ass knowing he didn't have a likelihood of getting that position makes me lose a lot of respect for him, since it means he either values power more than stopping Trump or, even if he was hoping to be a mole for the Trump administration and was merely trying to ingratiate himself enough to worm his way in, is too gullible and poor at playing the game to be an effective statesman. Not unlike his awkward pandering to the far right during the 2012 campaign.

edited 10th Dec '16 12:36:35 PM by AlleyOop

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#161391: Dec 10th 2016 at 12:37:37 PM

That he's too gullible and bad at playing politics to be a good statesman would make sense to me.

Apparently, in his 2012 campaign, Peter Thiel gave some advice to Romney about how, instead of trying to sell the idea that Obama was merely incompetent, he should have gone on about how America is fundamentally broken and desperately needed a shakeup.

He turned out to be correct because that was the backbone of Trump's campaign and he won.

edited 10th Dec '16 12:38:19 PM by Draghinazzo

FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
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#161392: Dec 10th 2016 at 12:45:26 PM

According to my Facebook feed, the average conservative response to the CIA's report is either this is liberal lies or it's okay since Russia exposed Clinton's corruption.

Reagan must be approaching terminal velocity from all the spinning in his grave.

@Trump Fucking Up: I wouldn't be so sure on this sinking him. So far nothing has sinked him, and there were some heavy guns brought out.

Really, if these people can be convinced that Obama is a secret Muslim, Michelle's real name is Michael and that their kids were abducted from their families, I think convincing them that Trump Did No Wrong is going to be fairly easy. If they do end up not falling for that spiel, odds are GOP is going to be fine nevertheless. I can already see the rhetoric going on:

  • Trump is Bad
  • It's Democrats' fault that Trump was elected; Shillary (-chant-) was so Killary the good white people of USA had to choose Trump.
  • Trump is not really a Republican, but a Democrat disguised as one. Look at his pro-establishment stance, or at how rich he is.
  • So how about we, the good ol' Republicans, will give you a proper President? Eh? Ehhhh?

The exact same thing is happening here; despite the overwhelmingly numerous set of Bad Things our (Polish) government does, their rankings continue to hold up high - partially to the undecided opposition, partially because Jesus Protects - as they try to ban abortion whole, support anti-vaxxers, try to rewrite history, ignore evolutionary theory etc.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#161393: Dec 10th 2016 at 12:48:16 PM

I am not sure if their psychological resistance has been tested thoroughly yet. If Trump causes the new great depression, I suspect a lot of voters will develop second thoughts.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#161394: Dec 10th 2016 at 12:50:45 PM

Wait Poland ignores evolution...that's weird for Catholic nations since the Church has been pro-Darwin since the 19th century (Fr. Mendel is part of the two-man-band with Darwin on the Evolutionary Synthesis).

As for the current Russian situation, well as I say about US politics these days: Something further may come of this masquerade

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#161395: Dec 10th 2016 at 1:03:04 PM

That's the thing - Trump is as much an outsider to the Republicans as anything. If things go badly, the Republicans can also nod sagely and say 'look, we told you! We played nicely because he's the President and we have a Moral Duty To Work With The President, but now look what he's done! Wouldn't you rather have a real Republican candidate?'

The issue I hope they then run into is seeing that all of the hardcore Trump voters they energized, supported and fostered won't turn around and accept a moderate. Though if yet another fringe freakshow makes it through to the primaries, we may be in for an even worse time.

edited 10th Dec '16 1:03:34 PM by RedSavant

It's been fun.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#161396: Dec 10th 2016 at 1:05:18 PM

Well, my impression is that Trump is more like a bigger, badder version of typical Republican policies and ideologies.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#161397: Dec 10th 2016 at 1:07:09 PM

In some ways, yes, but not all of them. For example, he isn't exactly free-market, which was one of the pillars of the GOP's platform for a while now.

[up][up] The typical conservatives will fall in line with whoever, but at least some of Trump's base supported him specifically because of stuff like "draining the swamp", being anti-establishment and "restoring America to greatness".

If enough of them see Trump sell out and if the economy doesn't improve they are going to be very disillusioned and very much won't be energized around a typical Republican candidate.

edited 10th Dec '16 1:12:08 PM by Draghinazzo

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#161398: Dec 10th 2016 at 1:08:02 PM

Really? Both him and the party tend to lean towards crony capitalism.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#161399: Dec 10th 2016 at 1:09:55 PM

Only in some ways. Trade protectionisim and most of the foreign policy except for "kill ISIS" comes mostly from Donald.

[nja]

And by trade protectionisim I mean railing against stuff like outsourcing, calling for tarifs and penalties for companies wanting to do business in other countried, etc Legislating away regulations and corporate welfare have always been a feature.

edited 10th Dec '16 1:13:26 PM by Elle

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#161400: Dec 10th 2016 at 1:11:57 PM

If the Republicans really don't want another Trump then they have to avoid fielding a dozen establishment candidates during the primaries. Trump partially got as far as he did because the establishment vote was split twelve ways.


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