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IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#161276: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:12:04 PM

Can it be halted?

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#161277: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:14:31 PM

In theory it probably could, but the real question is whether anyone with the power to do so gives a shit. Obama himself is probably too concerned with ensuring a peaceful transitionnote  to do so, which is one point on which I think he could not be more wrong.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Proglottid Since: Mar, 2010
#161278: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:15:25 PM

[up][up][up]They got the perfect puppet king-enabler exactly where they want it to be, why would they change it now?

edited 9th Dec '16 5:15:43 PM by Proglottid

animefan1 Since: Dec, 2013
#161279: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:16:11 PM

I thought we didn't live a democracy...

What? What is this?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#161280: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:21:46 PM

@RBluefish: How do you do that without causing a constitutional crisis? Also, until there's evidence that the Russians actually tampered with voting machines (which is very unlikely) rather than just leaking documents, that's a bit of an extreme reaction.

edited 9th Dec '16 5:22:51 PM by CaptainCapsase

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#161281: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:22:18 PM

Hell if I know. But the alternative is making our new leader the puppet of a Russian fascist.

edited 9th Dec '16 5:22:57 PM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#161282: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:23:45 PM

If nothing is done to stop this or if the Republicans don't try and rein Trump in while in office at least a little, it will be the ultimate evidence and vindication of all the things liberals have been saying about them for years: that they are greedy, amoral plutocrats who don't give a shit about fairness, the democratic process, or their fellow americans, and they will do whatever it takes to be the boot stamping America's face as they impose theocracy, white supremacy and social darwinism on the masses.

I mean, you could (with good reason) argue they've repeatedly shown that for years now, but if they as a whole don't step up and show some goddamn integrity than they've basically crossed the Moral Event Horizon.

edited 9th Dec '16 5:27:28 PM by Draghinazzo

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#161283: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:25:04 PM

Obama could possibly declare Russia an enemy of the United States and officially kick off the Cold War and be able to pen Trump and his campaign for colluding with the enemy.

But that would be one hell of a thing to do. There'd be no pretending anymore and the world is gonna get split up again.

edited 9th Dec '16 5:25:47 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#161284: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:26:17 PM

I don't know if you'd need to do anything that dramatic. If half of the well-sourced allegations are true, then Trump really is already ineligible for POTUS, and in fact should probably be prosecuted for treason.

edited 9th Dec '16 5:26:44 PM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#161285: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:31:20 PM

[up] You'd need to declare Russia an enemy to prosecute Trump for treason in the first place.

Either way, given a new cold war means a new nuclear arms race, and an elevated risk of the world ending because of a false alarm, I wouldn't be so hasty. If it's just some damn emails, oh well. Hold that against Trump, make sure everyone knows it when he's up for reelection.

edited 9th Dec '16 5:36:19 PM by CaptainCapsase

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#161286: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:37:00 PM

So our choices are Trump being President or Obama proving the conspiracy theorists right by acting like a Dictator. Joy...

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#161287: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:41:39 PM

There isn't much room for action between 'tell everyone' and 'make Trump step down', though, and we've already seen that the people who voted for Trump don't listen to things like this. The people who ended up voting for Trump either embraced and wanted to vote for all the shitty things he is and stands for, or accepted that those weren't dealbreakers. Maybe this will convince some people to change their minds, but I'm pretty sure the sort of person who voted for Trump because they think it's about time black people stopped whining about slavery doesn't care too much about Russia.

It's been fun.
animefan1 Since: Dec, 2013
#161288: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:41:55 PM

How does one know the russians tampered with the election? I mean we gotta blame them damn ruskies somehow.

What? What is this?
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#161289: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:43:06 PM

Shit tons of evidence gathered by almost every three letter organization in the country?

There's been signs since Trump first ran.

Oh really when?
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#161290: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:43:58 PM

The link earlier had a number of intelligence people saying there were strong signs that the Russians conspired to elect Trump as President.

edited 9th Dec '16 5:46:33 PM by Draghinazzo

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#161291: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:46:40 PM

That's still a bit different than actively hacking the voting machines. Unless something like that turns up I don't think this is enough evidence to deny Trump the presidency without making Obama look like a dictator.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#161292: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:47:06 PM

[up][up] Yes, but thus far that tampering consists of them stealing and releasing emails from the DNC and the Clinton campaign; going ballistic over another nation stationing nuclear weapons in a neighboring country is one thing, doing that over relatively benign leaks is another matter entirely. Use it to impeach Trump if you can find him guilty of an actual crime rather than retroactive treason charges.

edited 9th Dec '16 5:48:19 PM by CaptainCapsase

animefan1 Since: Dec, 2013
#161293: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:51:41 PM

This is gonna be an interesting four years of shitposting and blaming the russians and trump

What? What is this?
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#161294: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:52:13 PM

Do you not believe the evidence?

Oh really when?
animefan1 Since: Dec, 2013
#161295: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:54:09 PM

[up]I couldn't find any source about it that didn't sound like conspiracy theories.

edited 9th Dec '16 5:54:51 PM by animefan1

What? What is this?
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#161296: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:54:25 PM

[up][up][up][up]To be honest, I'm quite sure that if the Republicans really want to impeach him they'll doubtlessly find something because this is going to be one of the most corrupt governments imaginable.

The question is WILL they? Where exactly is their line in the sand, the point where Trump goes so far that even they can't stomach him anymore?

[up]The source posted earlier indicated that the evidence strongly points towards the Russians using Wikileaks as a source to undermine Clinton in favor of Trump.

That's not exactly a conspiracy theory.

edited 9th Dec '16 5:56:08 PM by Draghinazzo

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#161297: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:55:13 PM

Even ones from the three letter organizations themselves?

Buddy when the CIA says the Russians might be tampering with the election then the Russians might be tampering with the election. It doesn't matter how out there it sounds, it's happening.

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#161298: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:55:19 PM

[up][up][up]The CIA saying Russian agents hacked the DNC is a conspiracy theory now?

[up]Is it really that out there? Given how Trump seems to adore Putin it wouldn't surprise me that they want a friendly face in the Oval Office.

edited 9th Dec '16 5:56:01 PM by Kostya

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#161299: Dec 9th 2016 at 5:58:07 PM

Not just the CIA. The NSA outright stated it weeks ago. Several prominent Senators and House members (both Democrats and Republicans) are launching their own investigations, including Elijah Cummings and Lindsey Graham.

It's a little bit more than just a "conspiracy theory" now. That's without even getting into the numerous ties with Russia Trump's campaign has.

edited 9th Dec '16 5:58:27 PM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#161300: Dec 9th 2016 at 6:00:31 PM

[up][up][up][up]The Republicans will never impeach Trump, unless what I would consider two extremely unlikely scenarios both occur:

1. It reaches a point where Trump won't be useful for obtaining any of their own goals.

2. They find a way to do so without putting their own necks on the line.

Otherwise, some of them will always have some kind of incentive to stick with him, no matter how bad things get or how badly the American people want him gone.

edited 9th Dec '16 6:01:09 PM by Eschaton


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