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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Damn right. It's going to hurt and it's going to be more exhausting than we can probably imagine right now - but we cannot start to accept this as normal, and we cannot stop being outraged.
Every time Trump announces the latest supervillain to be appointed to his cabinet, every time he says some horrible thing about women or minorities or what-have-you, every time he intimidates a dissenter or displays yet more gross incompetence or corruption, we need to get pissed and loud. We need to act like it has never happened before. We can't let him wear us down. Because that's actually one possible explanation for all of this - they're trying to tire us out with constant outrage, in hopes that we'll get exhausted eventually, and later on they'll be able to push through slightly less horrible-seeming agendas without outcry.
We need to keep our eye on the bastards and keep the pressure on. We have the mandate, remember. Only 20% of the population was foolish, greedy, or bigoted enough to vote for Trump. The rest of us knew better, and now we're paying the price for the actions of the minority.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."Hillary Clinton is the most-voted-for presidential candidate in United States history
.
But no, go on, tell me again how she just didn't inspire anyone. Tell me again how she didn't earn people's votes.
It's been fun.
This proves something that should, potentially, give us some modicum of comfort: Hillary was not the problem. Nor was her message. The problem was the stacked deck. If it wasn't for unconstitutional voter suppression, Russian meddling, the wanton spread of misinformation, gerrymandering, and the fucking Electoral College, we'd be in Clintonland instead of Trumpsylvania.
We don't need to abandon or even adjust the principles Hillary ran on. We just need to start cutting the bullshit out of the system. Which is going to be one hell of a task, admittedly.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."Martin Scorsese gives his observations on Trump's victory
(around 13:00 mins).
Best part is that line, "The fact that Republicans are in both houses...I'm a Democrat, I'm sorry".
Heck, even the fact that she is only behind President Obama — a guy who won the highest and second highest number of votes in U.S. history — is amazing, considering all the crap she had to deal with this year.
It's just too damn bad that just enough Rust Belt voters were gullible enough to fall for Trump's lies and still had residual resentment over Bill Clinton signing NAFTA — despite the fact that free trade had less to do with the loss of jobs than automation and an increasingly obsolete industry.
Disgusted, but not surprisedFact is, there's never been an instance that a candidate outpoll her opponent by more than 2.5 million votes and come in second place. 1876 for instance had 4,288,546-4,034,311 losing margin for Samuel J. Tilden. 250,000 votes is a big margin, at least at the time in which the election took place.
The Clinton-Trump margin is just absurdly large, the size of a small Eastern European country worth of votes.
Alright. Well, I'm going to take umbrage with the apparent idea that "Clinton did nothing wrong." Because she did. SHE LOST.
All of those things mentioned: unconstitutional voter suppression, Russian meddling, the wanton spread of misinformation, gerrymandering, and the fucking Electoral College; these were known factors before the election. note These should have been taken into account. Otherwise, you're saying this was an unwinnable situation?
edited 8th Dec '16 11:01:44 PM by Eschaton
A few months back, I was wondering to myself which would be worse for my Internet privileges: the TPP with its SOPA like copyright stuff, or the end of net neutrality. I know HRC said she wouldn't support the TPP anymore since it didn't meet her gold standard, but that was one thing I wasn't entirely sure she wouldn't flip-flop on again. And Trump has said in the past that he wants net neutrality gone.
Now I'm wondering if we might have to deal with both. As I mentioned earlier in this thread and on the TPP related thread, there are some hints that Trump is planning to sign off on the TPP and TTIP after all. Or maybe he'll come up with an even more corporate friendly agreement. And net neutrality is still on the chopping block.
Shit, the end of the TPP was one of the only silver linings I could find in a Trump win. Now even that might be gone.
The Internet's probably going to be a much more...exclusive...place. Never thought the fucking Internet would become gentrified.
edited 8th Dec '16 11:11:47 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised![]()
Because women with non-natural hair colors were permitted to vote?
Watching teenage edgelords flip out because their cuckold porn got throttled to 72p was always never going to be worth the price of admission.
Ah shit, I just had an unpleasant thought. What if that one Japanese billionaire who promised to bring 50,000 jobs to the United States asked Trump to sign off on the TPP and approve his desired Sprint + T-mobile merger in exchange?
Then of course there was that one phone call from Taiwan's president. And Taiwan was supposed to be included in the TPP...
edited 8th Dec '16 11:18:22 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised![]()
Sprint is crap. Dunno if T-Mobile is better though.
Telecom is not an industry that needs to be messed with right now though. Lots of M&A going on due to merging industries (thanks to technological advances). Anything Trump tries to do, in either direction, that isn't already on the cards naturally will create a lot of blow back from both business people and consumers.
edited 8th Dec '16 11:34:03 PM by FFShinra

Keith Olbermann called it: