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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
It's not necessarily that he has said those things specifically but:
- He's proposed a ban on all muslims entering the country, and you probably already know about THE WALL. We also just pointed out that one of his spokespeople mentioned a "muslim registry" and said "there's precedent" for it, which sounds VERY eerie. Not to mention that he's appointed Stephen Bannon, a white supremacist, as his chief strategist and senior counselor. Basically, minorities are going to be in very dire straits this administration, the only question is "by how much".
- He invited several people from various media outlets for a meeting after becoming president-elect, and then proceeded to give them a severe lashing for their "unfair coverage" of him, which I'm pretty sure he's spent a lot of time complaining about already. He's a petty and spiteful man with no restraint, and he idolizes Vladimir Putin who is an autocrat that restricts freedom of the press. I think you see what I'm getting at. People have pointed out that what is more likely to happen is that he will simply refuse coverage for outlets that aren't favorable to him, leaving responsible journalists relying on second-hand sources.
edited 8th Dec '16 3:12:57 PM by Draghinazzo
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The campaign promises you're so keen for him to follow up on include deporting millions of undocumented immigrants and forcing all Muslims in America to enter a national religious registry,note as well as denying all foreign Muslims entry to the country. He's literally appointed a neo-Nazi to be his chief strategist, for God's sake.
After election day, he doubled down on his promise to deport Those Darned Illegals, estimating the number two be about "two or three million." An obvious Ass Pull, but that's not important. What's important is this - how, exactly, do you think he's going to round up and deport two to three million people?
For reference - the total prison population of the state of California is roughly 130,000, counting both men and women. The number of people Trump says he will forcefully deport is greater than the prison population of several entire states put together. Might need some might big camps. Some mighty big, mighty concentrated camps, as it were.
He has also voiced his intention to "shake up" the First Amendment slightly. Since his election, dissenters have received "warnings" from his supporters, that they ought to be careful what they say, and his campaign is rumored to be keeping an "enemies list." Outlets that spread coverage of him that he deems unflattering, he throws public tantrums about, complaining about the unfairness of it all. He has denied press access to key events - which is unprecedented for a president-elect, and is a clear warning to major outlets. "Play nice with me, or you lose your access."
Restricting freedom of speech is one of the first steps on the autocratic checklist - and Trump checks every box on the list so far.
edited 8th Dec '16 3:15:17 PM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."@Trump person of the year: history will remember this mistake and say "It should have been Lin Manuel Miranda, the Human Cinnamon Roll, not Trump, the Human Saffron Raisin".
@Electoral College's purpose: Federalist 68
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It would be nice, it would be nice, to have Trump foiled by these guys.
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You have got to be kidding me. He's still attached to that idiotic reality show?! When he's going to be President of the United States?!
Ugh. At this point, I half-expect to die of an aneurysm before he even gets inaugurated.
"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's DictionaryI don't think Trump is some committed KKK member. He's a crook first and foremost. But he seems like he doesn't give a fig about minorities and has no problem with appointing people who are bad for civil liberties to his Cabinet.
I think he has one Cabinet Member who isn't anti-LGBT.
But he does tick off a lot of markers for fascist:
He's surrounded himself with generals which is downright strange for a president that wants to pull out of conflicts.
He bullies the media.
He sends out confusing messages and obfuscates the truth.
Pointing the finger at ethnic groups (the Chinese and Mexicans) and telling everyone that China and Mexico are playing them for fools.
I know I've been saying this a lot, but the inevitable increase in voter suppression (especially with an Attorney General who opposes voting rights) is one of the things that scares me the most. Because it means that things might not get better any time soon. They already cheated their way into the White House with shit like Crosscheck, and now they're going to change the rules of the game so they don't lose anymore.
And with the integrity of our elections compromised and no effective means of removing the GOP from power, it means there's only one way to go from there - down. Way down. Sure, things might not get as apocalyptically bad after just four years of Trump. How about eight years of Trump? How about eight years of Trump, then eight years of his even-worse successor? Once you start thinking in those terms, all bets are off. Things will officially have stopped being normal, and the U.S. will officially have stopped being a democracy.
This is even without factoring in the GOP controlling the 2020 redistricting, further foreign hacking and interference, and the spread of state-sponsored propaganda thanks to outlets like Breitbart or the soon-to-be Trump TV.
Protecting voting rights and freedom of the press is going to be of paramount importance if we want to take our country back someday soon. And it is going to be one hell of a fight.
edited 8th Dec '16 3:34:37 PM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."Okay, that does give me some comfort - I must have been misinformed on that score.
What will the state legislature map look like by then - do we have enough information to predict? I've heard that the Democrats may have something of a hidden advantage on the state level going forward?
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."Both sides are the same, guys.
edited 8th Dec '16 3:39:36 PM by MadSkillz
@R Bluefish: The problem is, how the hell do we fight against this? The freedoms of speech, the press, and assembly are all probably going away, or at the very least going to be neutered into utter irrelevance. We can't mount a violent rebellion because we're completely outclassed by our own military. And we can't count on other nations to save us from our fascist overlords like the non-Nazi Germans did in WWII, because the most prosperous nations seem to also be falling for this far-right, authoritarian song-and-dance. I also don't think there's any place we can escape to that either wouldn't manage to be worse, or would be safe from this wave of fascism.
Damn it, it's like we're living through HYDRA's plot in The Winter Soldier, only without any willing and able Captains America to stop it.
edited 8th Dec '16 3:47:19 PM by TrashJack
"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary“My identity is so much more than my race and my gender,” Ms. Delekta said. “We’re all so much more similar than we think.”
She was able to separate Mr. Trump’s policies from his personal attitudes toward women, she said later. “I’m not electing a grandpa or a babysitter,” Ms. Delekta said.
What I get from this is that she insists on 'separating' Trump's policies from his personal attitudes towards women but refuses to do the same for Clinton (the last paragraph seems to be a dig at Clinton portraying herself as a grandmother, which includes her profile information on Twitter).
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.@Trash Jack: Easy answer. We stop Trump from hurting those rights in the first place. He may be President, but his powers aren't unlimited yet. There's a lot he actually has to do to get that power. As long as he isn't able to pull it off, our rights are as good as safe.
In other words, we play Captain America here.
edited 8th Dec '16 4:03:32 PM by MysteryMan23
Legislatures aren't always in control of redistricting. Pennsylvania has a "non-partisan" commission that is still currently controlled by Democrats because the commission is meant to be half democrat, half republican, plus a tiebreaker appointed by the State Supreme Court, which is now Democratic.
California's commission is purely nonpartisan.
""we don't win wars anymore."
That's because wars are actually too complex these days to be truly won, at least when modeled around satisfying national pride and one man's machismo. It's why the "outcome" section on any war waged after Desert Storm is like a paragraph long. We're post-victory.
edited 8th Dec '16 4:11:52 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

Indeed - the camps were cited as "precedent." And if I may give a news flash to all the Trumplings out there - precedent does not equal justification.
Maybe I'll go out and bust someone's kneecap with a tire iron. Then I'll wait a year for it to heal, and then I'll track them down and bust it again, going "there's precedent!"
edited 8th Dec '16 2:56:06 PM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."