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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
It's problematic. It enables a line of attack on him claiming that he doesn't recognize the Constitutional authority of SCOTUS. It provides fuel for the "Obama = Big Government Takeover" rhetoric. It makes him look weak if SCOTUS overturns the law anyway.
edited 4th Apr '12 2:06:17 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Obama attacked the Paul Ryan budget, among other things, and I think it's pretty ethical considering the budget cuts social services in the name of balancing the budget while cutting taxes to a massive degree for the rich, so much so that it undoes all the savings from the cuts. That budget is dishonest and benefits only a very small amount of the population.
I don't know about his calling out the Supreme court, but I'm with anybody who sees their shenanigans as bullshit. Monday they ruled that you can be strip-searched when brought into jail for any offense, no matter how minor, as the case was of a man who was strip searched twice, and was arrested for failing to pay a fine (which he actually did pay).
Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen FryWell, if we're talking about Obama calling out the Ryan budget, of course he's justified in doing that. I wish the Constitution allowed us to administer some kind of rationality test as a condition for eligibility to elected office.
edited 4th Apr '12 2:12:17 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"According to Fox News Radio (kill me; my libertarian dad plays it sometimes), the last president that confronted the Supreme Court like Obama did was Franklin Roosevelt, and according to them, it affected the following election.
But I'm not sure how true that is. I might have to get the transcript, if they publish it.
I still think the worst in history was Buchanan. He did nothing to cool down the tension of the North and South, leaving Lincoln with a Civil War.
As for calling out the court, I don't know what to think. The Roberts court made some controversial decisions, but they also made some good ones (like Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association
). However, I feel this "calling out" will hurt him if the court rules it unconstitutional. The right move isn't necessarily the wise move.
edited 4th Apr '12 3:24:37 PM by Skatepunk
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/04/politics/stock-act-signing/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
Any idea if this'll affect elections coming up?
I doubt it'll have a significant impact, but I'm glad it's gone through.
Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen FryAdams was worse.
So, any decent third parties this time around? The Republicans seem determined to shoot themselves in the nuts, and there's no way in hell I'm voting Obama after he's done nothing but sell us out on pretty much every level of intrusive security theater.
Well, standard third choices seem to be Libertarian and Green. Since you sound like you're leaning to the latter anyway... OTOH, is this still Nader's ego project?
/E: Looking on Wiki, already not anymore since 2000. Hrm, oops.
edited 4th Apr '12 3:40:36 PM by Octo
Unbent, Unbowed, Unbroken. Unrelated ME1 FanficThe STOCK act signing, like the enacting of the "no you can't dump mercury into our water supplies" regulation, is one of those regulations so blatantly necessary and simple that you have to wonder why anyone would ever oppose them. And then you realize Obama has to get elected despite all his glaring flaws because we can rely on him to at least sign stuff like that.
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.You could have the perfect president if by mixing Nixon's foreign policy skills and Johnson's domestic initiatives. Just cut out the former's paranoia and the latter's megalomania and you're good.
But yeah, Obama is taking a huge risk by calling out the courts; if even part of the law gets struck down than there is no way he can avoid looking like an idiot.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Yeah, I agree that it was a bad move to criticism them the way he did.
If he was going to criticize them, he should do so by explaining that the Supreme court has become politicized and that the conservative justices are supporting a conservative agenda, rather than actually interpreting the constitution.
Since when was Johnson considered megalomaniacal? o_0 This is the first time I've ever heard him referred to him as that.
As for Obama's criticism of the Supreme Court; I'm not quite sure what to think of that myself. *shrug* But the fact of the matter is if they rule against it, a great many people are screwed and they will have earned themselves the contempt of literally thousands of people. I'm starting to wonder if we shouldn't change it so that we vote on who gets to serve on the Supreme Court as well, but I'm not sure how well that would work in the long run.
There's a real populism issue there, to be honest.
How the hell are we supposed to pick who we vote for as Supreme Court justice?
Be honest, all we'd be doing is picking people whose interpretations corresponded with our personal biases.
That said, the current situation is terrible too. It's incredibly obvious that the Supreme Court votes down partisan lines.
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.Are.
You.
Kidding???
The one good thing about his disgraceful career was when he said "we shall overcome". Even Nixon had more wins, and most of those were either forced upon him (EPA) or hypocritical (China).
edited 4th Apr '12 9:55:33 PM by johnnyfog
I'm a skeptical squirrelJohnson was megalomanic as hell, and largely responsible for the escalation of the US involvement in Vietnam. OTOH, he cleverly exploited Kennedy's martyr status and pushed through a Civil Rights Act far more extensive than what Kennedy had planned, and his vision of the "Great Society" was a positive one. If it wasn't for Vietnam, I'd consider him the best US President of the 20th century.
Unbent, Unbowed, Unbroken. Unrelated ME1 FanficFrom my understanding (and my basic college American history class), Johnson thought Vietnam was inevitable and knew once it broke out he would lose public opinion; so, he got as much as he could done before Vietnam went down.
On-topic, Representative Tim Johnson (R-IL) will not seek reelection.
EDIT: Gingrich says he's gonna be in it until Romney manages to reach 1,144 delegates.
edited 4th Apr '12 11:27:27 PM by tclittle
"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."

Meanwhile, moderates are pointing out that bears do not shit in winter.
Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry