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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#160301: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:22:50 AM

...What does that have to do with ponies?

Oh God! Natural light!
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#160302: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:24:28 AM

Friendship Is Magic advocates embracing diversity and social equality, giving wrongdoers a chance, and generally being kind, loving, and compassionate. It also encourages accepting yourself and methodically chasing your ambitions with hard work and patience.

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Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#160303: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:38:32 AM

There is a not-insignificant chance that someone with a pony/anime avatar on twitter is a massive dick. Whenever people compile hate tweets at least half will be twilight sparkle calling someone a sjwfaggot and telling them to die.

I've seen some interesting reasons why bronies tend to be hateful shits. Someone here (IIRC) noted that the show is all about accepting people for who they are and then the hateful shits apply that only to themselves.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#160304: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:40:46 AM

Plus there's the rush that these inbreds have somehow trained themselves to get from "subverting" something innocent. Who else would try encoding a rape joke inside the design of their mascot?

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#160305: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:57:46 AM

The entire point of the cabinet is to be advisors to the president.
And deputies who handle the day-to-day administration and decision-making of the various ministries of the executive branch, all within the framework of the POTUS's policies.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#160306: Dec 4th 2016 at 3:33:06 AM

There are people who miss the point of intersectionality and diversity in Star Trek, too.

Do not obey in advance.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#160307: Dec 4th 2016 at 3:34:20 AM

Ugh, if Petraeus becomes Secretary of State...

Funny, I thought people wanted to lock "Killary" up for mishandling classified info.

edited 4th Dec '16 3:34:46 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#160308: Dec 4th 2016 at 3:50:31 AM

RE: a few pages back; I'll agree that Trump and his ilk are the True Enemy, but why should those who support him be given the benefit of the doubt? At what point does their willful, intentional blindness to how /reality/ functions not make them the enemy as well? Why should we coddle their delusions? They were given every opportunity, shown over and over and over again in a 24-hour news cycle on and off line how horrifically unfit trump is. how vile, hateful, and petty he is, and they are not the enemy as well? How does that follow?

"Economic Anxiety!" let them rot

edited 4th Dec '16 3:55:13 AM by Lanceleoghauni

"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"
StarOutlaw Since: Nov, 2010
#160309: Dec 4th 2016 at 4:24:08 AM

[up]I do believe that sometimes the only way to get people to learn is for them to have to face consequences. Some people can't be reached through words or understanding, but only once their actions affect them personally. Giving them the benefit of the doubt and respecting their bad opinions won't help, you need to make sure you do not approve and won't give them any kindness. Violence is not the answer, but don't treat them like their your friend. Ostracize them.

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#160310: Dec 4th 2016 at 4:26:53 AM

[up] And what if the GOP's propaganda machine continues to blame the now all-but-powerless Democrats for the Republicans' failure to govern? How do we deal with angry people who have been deliberately taught to direct their anger at the GOP's scapegoats?

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#160311: Dec 4th 2016 at 4:31:57 AM

And why should we give a flying fuck about that fact?

"Oh Gee, Sorry I Self Destructed The Country Even Though You Told Me Not To. I Know Better Now" Are they voting age adults or are they toddlers?

edited 4th Dec '16 4:33:23 AM by Lanceleoghauni

"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#160312: Dec 4th 2016 at 4:45:21 AM

[up]Unfortunately, You seem to subscribe to Rational Actor as a basis for how people choose and act.

We don't. Heck, even Law's related (yet, far older) "reasonable person" isn't without flaw. It's a lot more rooted in people than Rational Actor is, however.

Reasonable person at least factors in that people can be, and often are, hoodwinked by other people using their emotions.

Emotional decision-making is what people do. Just ask advertisers. And, we also need to look to advertisers to see how things got this way... And, how to get out of it.

Because, loathe him all you like, Trump did see a sales opportunity and jumped at it, even though he didn't create the whole structure he used.

edited 4th Dec '16 4:49:59 AM by Euodiachloris

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#160313: Dec 4th 2016 at 5:00:33 AM

I just figure that the solid year we had to mull over this in more or less real time would have been enough for at least /some/ facts to sink in.

"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"
germi91 Public Servant from Spain Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Public Servant
#160314: Dec 4th 2016 at 5:00:45 AM

I think when speaking about what motivates or factors in the decision-making of citizens when voting is not so simple as some here are implying. A fairly dense body of work done by sociologists, political scientists and political communication experts in the field of media effects and communication has shown that there are numerous factors that are involved in how citizens process information.

An example of a relatively "simple" and straightforward model is the following: https://postimg.org/image/8dsu83um9/

edited 4th Dec '16 5:04:06 AM by germi91

"It is true that we are called a democracy, for the administration is in the hands of the many and not of the few."
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#160315: Dec 4th 2016 at 5:41:07 AM

[up][up]Regardless of how rational they are or not, they have proven to be an important demographic that swung the election for Trump (under rather dubious circumstances, but still).

Moving forward it will be necessary to either try to woo some of these people back to the democrats side (may not actually be as practical as some suggest), or their worldview will have to be fought against tooth and nail to bring our base out in stronger numbers and to keep them from being suppressed. Either way they can not be ignored.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#160316: Dec 4th 2016 at 6:03:05 AM

All I can say is, if someone does have the guts to start selling "Don't Blame Me, I Voted for HRC" merchandise in the next few years, I'm definitely gonna be giving them my likely-to-be worthless dollars.

This of course assumes the Trump administration ends up being a total clusterfuck (It totally will).

[up]

Either way they can not be ignored.

edited 4th Dec '16 6:06:17 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#160317: Dec 4th 2016 at 7:20:17 AM

On the issue on nerd culture a few pages back, honestly it wouldn't have been hard for conservatives to hijack. If anything, they were already there. We're just seeing the end result.

For starters superheroes and many video games are inherently fascist. Oh this one person has special powers but somehow have enough self control to not be tempted to do bad. All while the cops and government bureaucracy continue to be a bother, be useless, or just flat out not exist. Just let this one guy/group do it since they know the crisis they face.

And then there's the issue of "you're the chosen one" or "you're special." The loser kid who had to do nothing but exist and then his life will determine the fate of the world. "Oh and don't worry, those meatheads who picked on you when you were child won't have the last laugh when they're subservient to you"

Then there's the treatment of woman. Either as damsels in distress or they wear impossibly skimpy clothing. Either way, the woman's existence is there to totally cater to the male viewer. When they complete their objective, they get the woman's affection. So when these guys don't get their skimpy wearing girlfriend, they cry that the women's suffrage shouldn't have been a thing.

And since most nerd stuff have been created pre 90s, diversity is an issue. It also doesn't help that the eventually "special snowflake" nerd characters are white 90% of the time in high school movies that usually have an all white cast in the first place. "Colored Nerds? Oxymoron el oh el" And of course, bitching about race lifting a white character while defending whitewashing a fictional nonwhite character.

Yeah, the fascism tendencies and sexual entitlement? Screams easy pickings for neoconservative dogma.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#160318: Dec 4th 2016 at 7:29:08 AM

Re: the laws around Cabinet potisions. It's pretty much entirely up to the Executive branch except for senate confirmation (the Constitution gives the senate the power of "advice and consent" on all public appointments which I take to mean those with authority to order people around in the President's name. Cabinet departments can be created and dissolved at will (Bush II created Homeland Security needing only his say-so) and while it would be stupid to leave a department head unfilled there's no law requiring it.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#160319: Dec 4th 2016 at 7:35:17 AM

Much as i may want to send all Trumpkins to a Room With a Moose, there's nothing to be gained from fighting hate with hate.

I figure you give poor whites programs that help them even if they'll spit in your face and call it Communism just like you give your poor grandmother with dementia good food even if she'll throw it in your face and call it poison, because the alternative is inhumane. But you don't listen to them or act like their viewpoint has any actual merit.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#160320: Dec 4th 2016 at 7:36:44 AM

[up][up][up]Uh you just described nearly every single piece of artistic creation as far as I remember. Protagonists have been always special and entitled people as far as story telling goes.

That description isn't that different from a shallow description of the Epics of Homer like Iliad and the Odyssey, or the Biblical tales of the Old Testament specially the Book of Judges or the tales of the Holy Grail.

What really brings those people to fantasy in general is the power fantasies those groups get, where being the right kind of white automatically grants you a special place in the world and being special just for existing.

This is the same understanding I have over why those noxious types are so attracted to shows like MLP and Steven's World, because it doesn't matter how much of a judgmental, racist, homophobic and sexist assholes they are, it doesn't matter how much of an underachiever and plain person they are and it doesn't matter how little they contribute to society as a whole and how much they hate other people for not being like them. These are universes where they would be loved, cherished and accepted even though they are deplorable human beings.

edited 4th Dec '16 7:36:58 AM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges
TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#160321: Dec 4th 2016 at 7:39:57 AM

@M84: The Democratic Party is already selling "I Didn't Vote For Trump" merch on their website.

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#160322: Dec 4th 2016 at 7:40:08 AM

"They were given every opportunity, shown over and over and over again in a 24-hour news cycle on and off line how horrifically unfit trump is. how vile, hateful, and petty he is, and they are not the enemy as well? How does that follow?"

Because people distrust "Mainstrain" media, because Trump is also a showman who now how to charm people and for last, Trumph ve this "New guy here" aura that allow to claim innocent

""Economic Anxiety!""

Oh they have economic anxiety, that is true....problem is they chose their "solution" in based of identity politics and petty populism

"what if the GOP's propaganda machine continues to blame the now all-but-powerless Democrats for the Republicans' failure to govern? "

If my experience here told me something is that it wont work, the republican were already shrinking before Trump come here, once is polices dont work and he make an ass of himself(which he will, given time) is popularity will decline.

" All while the cops and government bureaucracy continue to be a bother, be useless, or just flat out not exist. Just let this one guy/group do it since they know the crisis they face."

Funny because the policies brutality cases show a complete diferent mindset: policies are god send superhero who task is to mantain the LAW(said this in apropie way please) and they should be obey at all times, otherwise they can shoot you if they please

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#160323: Dec 4th 2016 at 7:40:45 AM

[up][up][up][up]The analogy is more like:

"Here's your food grandma"

"YOU TRYING TO POISON ME?" *spits food your face*

"Here's your food grandma"

"YOU TRYING TO POISON ME?" *spits food your face*

Black sheep of the family who has an actual history of poisoning people: "Here's your food grandma"

"YAY! I LOVE YOU THE BEST!"

You: Damnit, grandma.

And then your mother slaps you and proceeds to tell you that your poison loving cousin paid attention to your grandma while you were too busy taking care of your great aunt, who your granny wants to deport.

edited 4th Dec '16 7:45:51 AM by NoName999

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#160324: Dec 4th 2016 at 7:42:42 AM

[up][up][up]I'm not going to buy anything with Trump's name (or face!) on it. It's like giving the Pumpkinhead even more free publicity.

Same with the "Stop the GOP" button. From a distance, all you can make out is the name, and that could give people the wrong impression.

edited 4th Dec '16 7:52:05 AM by pwiegle

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#160325: Dec 4th 2016 at 7:51:30 AM

A lot of nerd culture attracts these disenfranchised and awkward young men because they're disenfranchised and awkward. It just so happens that disenfranchised and awkward young men are the easiest to convince that the problems with society, and the reasons they aren't being given what all that nerd culture (and regular culture) tells them young men deserve, is that there are people conspiring and lying to take away what's really theirs.

It's been fun.

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