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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
In America, progressive means taking a more inclusive view of society, you know LGBT and other issues.
My own views are close to Europeans, Thomas Piketty and others. I think wealth redistribution and progressive graduated income tax on inherited wealth is necessary to close income inequality.
I also agree with Ta-Nehisi Coates and his case for reparations
, and passing John Conyers bill. I think that could be something that helps get rid of white revanchism..
I don't want reparations.
Not because I don't think they're owed, (clearly they are), but for the sole purpose of what happens afterwards.
Okay so we have reparations....now what? How is that going to solve the systemic issues? Any form of racial violence will be met with "Oh we gave you blacks reparations, you should shut up now."
New Survey coming this weekend!TNC is not asking reparations for slavery, he's asking for reparations for Jim Crow, for redlining and racial housing and so on. He's saying white supremacy has enriched itself at the expense of unfree black labour (a point I believe is incontestable) and by asking for damages and passing it, you as a society are making an acknowledge of crimes and restitution, and a small move to justice, a "more perfect union".
Reparations were given by Germany to Israel after World War II and later on many corporations have given restitution for their crimes. Today Germany is a liberal place and an inspiring example of a new kind of self-critical nationalism. It's not perfect and not without problems yes, but it does create a more just society.
The thing about most of the early 20th Century progressives (Folks like Jane Addams excepted) was that they were ambivalent at best towards issues of race if not actively racist themselves.
Basically they had some ideological similarities to those today who think economic issues take primacy over everything else, without much intersectional thinking involved.
edited 3rd Dec '16 12:39:41 AM by rmctagg09
Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.The Communist Party of the United States of America (CPUSA) were the first to break that mould. They were big on both racial equality and economic equality, and they saw both as inter-related. Because racism kept the poor whites from acting on their interests, forcing them to serve the capital class while African-Americans were naturally revolutionary and tended to understand economic-political issues intuitively while white folks were slower on the uptake. CPUSA also proposed schemes and practised Affirmative Action, which is not surprising because Vladmir Lenin himself introduced those ideas in USSR.
They went down south in the 30s and organized African-American communities, and they introduced desegrated social gatherings and despite their small and marginal status would chuck out anyone voicing racist epithets from their ranks. They also contributed a lot in the Union movement brought attention to police discrimination in the Scottsboro boys case. Unfortunately for them, all this good work meant following the Comitnern party line and supporting Josef Stalin and that ruined and divided the American Left in 1945. Then there was the pass of Taft-Hartley, HUAC, the Smith Act Trials and Communists got thrown out of the unions and huge setbacks on the American Left. Then the 60s came and more or less you see the Modern American Left there, different issues based groups start out at the same time, some of them allied on common issues but being kind of independent...you have the Civil Rights Movements, the feminist movement, the anti-war crowd, the free-love folks. MLK himself was moving from anti-racism to economic inequality towards the end and he was talking about reparations as well, and Dr. King alienated quite a few by taking an anti-war and anti-imperialist statement before it became fashionable.
I'd say that it was less that Dr. King moved from anti-racism to economics and more that he started to combine both.
Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.In my experience, progressive became an alternate word for liberal once extreme conservatives and regressives started making liberal a dirty word. If there's any actual difference, (and this is purely anecdotal observation) it's that people who feel strongly about labelling themselves progressives rather than liberals are more fervent in pushing for accelerated/more sweeping change, and less willing to settle for more gradual and incremental changes, even if that is still along the lines of the changes that they say they want.
| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |You know, to a certain degree, I can almost sympathize with the white supremacists — but before you get out the tar and feathers, just hear me out.
Any talk about reparations leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's one thing to offer compensation to someone if they personally were hurt in some way (such as the Japanese Internment during WWII). But to pay reparations to blacks because their ancestors (six or seven generations back, mind you) had been slaves, is quite another. There was a black secretary at my father’s workplace who used to say, "I been persecuted for four hundred years!" To which he'd reply, "Really? I didn't know you were that old." Despite the sincere grievances of some, others will simply be looking to cash in on this.
Also, certain SJWs are entirely too eager to lay a guilt trip on everybody they encounter who isn't a minority. I'm a straight white male from the North; to the best of my knowledge, I've never oppressed anybody, and neither have my ancestors. So I resent being painted as Satan Incarnate when I regard myself as personally blameless in this matter. (In fact, some of my ancestors were Irish, so I might be able to claim repressed status myself, if I were to buy into this nonsense.)
By the way, I voted for Hillary.
This Space Intentionally Left Blank.I think that's the logic of focusing on Jim Crow and like instead of slavery, there will be plenty of living people who have suffered under Jim Crow laws so it makes sense for them to get reperations.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranIt is a handy shorthand for the angry social media based left who tend to be incredibly aggressive in their pursuit of 'justice', to the point of dozing, internet lynch mobs and death threats.
Thing is, unlike the-Neo-Nazis-formally-known-as-the-alt-right they don't have any political influence and are just shouting angrily into the void.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranThe anti-SJW thing is more complex than you'd think at first glance. It's the enemy of the left's 'common sense' standards of respect for others, but it's also somewhat fueled by frustration with religious fundamentalism and even the ruthlessly-enforced blandness of profit-seeking media that hates the unpredictability of creative self-expression. There are a lot of different factors feeding into it.
However they came about individually, there are a lot of angry white men who feel that the only palatable identity for them is to be anti-PC, so we have hundreds of them knee-jerk overreacting for every genuine or even vaguely debatable incident of politically correct-driven authoritarianism. Since the movement isn't based on factual oppression in the first place, but feelings of frustration with the overall environment, the key to dismantling it is to address those feelings, not the facts. The facts are just distractions. What these people want is a team that makes them feel good that they can root for.
edited 3rd Dec '16 8:05:52 AM by Karkadinn
Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.

It's true from a "certain point of view".
Half-truths are even stronger than lies in a post-fact world.
edited 2nd Dec '16 9:52:05 PM by Draghinazzo