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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
The Latest: Federal lawsuit filed to block Wisconsin recount: http://bigstory.ap.org/f0a3999a748d4c57a89962db68fdaef1&utm_source=android_app&utm_medium=copy_to_clipboard&utm_campaign=share
Trump supporters are filing a federal lawsuit to stop the Wisconsin recount.
Because they'd rather crush any semblance of doubt, or because the recount would show how effective their voter suppression tactics have been and open them to a lawsuit for discriminatory voting laws (since striking down voter suppression laws on the basis of "they're racist as fuck" worked in North Carolina to the point where now they have to re-elect their entire legislature because the courts found the system so screwed up).
Seriously? I knew there were issues wth the governor race but didn't hear it went that far.
Looks like it is
edited 2nd Dec '16 9:39:52 AM by sgamer82
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The election results as they stand show the effects of suppression clearly enough. The optics of trying to stop the recount are mindbogglingly terrible, and.. well, frankly, I don't see how this is a case they can win, legally, so it can't be about squashing doubt, either.
I can see only three possible motives for this :
1: Belief that the election was rigged in Trumps favor.
2: Belief the recount will be rigged against him.
3: Reflexively suing anyone that does anything that might be construed as a challenge.
All three options have awful implications
edited 2nd Dec '16 10:40:20 AM by Izeinsummer
If it weren't the Donald doing it, I'd say good; the China-Taiwan spat is one of those pieces of historical idiocy that we've put up with for way longer than makes any sense. Do we stand for democratic institutions always, or only when it's politically convenient to do so? (That is a rhetorical question.)
Maddowblog: Pro-Trump pundit argues, "There's no such thing as facts."
, noting that, for Trump supporters, the things he says are truth.
edited 2nd Dec '16 2:05:06 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"This is what centuries and decades of Anti-Intellectualism has led to...what can one say.
There is that line in an old Italian movie, Accattone by Pier Paolo Pasolini:
''Today you sell your ring, tomorrow your watch, next week your chain and in 77 days you won't have eyes to cry with."
The Taiwan Call probably has to do with this:
Trump wants to expand business empire to Taiwan, creating another potential conflict of interest
The sad part is that Taiwan actually has a very good President, Tsai Ing-Wen
, the first woman President in Taiwanese history, a social democrat and pro-LGBT activist.
She's been fighting against the KMT (Chiang Kai Shek's brutal party regime, that was US-backed and arrived there and purged and massacred native Taiwanese). The KMT these days are aliied with...the CCP (The Horseshoe Effect has never been more aptly demonstrated) because the rise of a native Hakka-born woman on a social democrat platform offends their vested interests and traditions.
Tsai Ing-Wen has actually tried to form a middle path with China, emphasizing Taiwanese interests without raising the spectre of "independence" (which even the Dalai Lama has tried to do, but the Chinese won't listen). Now Trump is unthinkingly upsetting that.

edited 2nd Dec '16 8:02:07 AM by CaptainCapsase