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LogoP Party Crasher from the Land of Deep Blue Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Party Crasher
#159951: Dec 1st 2016 at 5:55:53 PM

A war in Iran will make Iraq look like pillow fight.

It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159952: Dec 1st 2016 at 5:59:28 PM

[up] Yeah, that's my impression too. Hopefully such a war really is unfeasible.

Given all the unstable thin-skinned strongmen and strongwomen running countries these days, something's gonna give though. And it's not gonna be pretty. sad

The only consolation is that — for the most part — no one really wants a huge shooting war anymore.

edited 1st Dec '16 6:01:49 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#159953: Dec 1st 2016 at 6:08:02 PM

[up]We can't take for granted that it will stay that way. If the people in Trump's administration intend to go as far they can in punishing Iran then it may become that we are one "Straits of Hormuz Incident" away from an actual shooting war.

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#159954: Dec 1st 2016 at 6:11:04 PM

And that Iran N-Deal can't be backed away from as GOP lawmakers are starting to realize belatedly how legislation works. Iran has all the money kept behind sanctions and they have enough capital and means to build a nuke were US to break the deal.
One, that's assuming there will be people in charge who aren't dumb enough to try (and my expectation are nonexistent, to say the least).

Two, I'm pretty sure that provides exact justification they would need for military intervention anyways.

"We broke the deal because we couldn't expect them to hold up their end of the deal, and now they're violating the agreement just like we told you they would. And there have to be consequences for that kind of behavior.

edited 1st Dec '16 6:16:24 PM by Eschaton

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159955: Dec 1st 2016 at 6:16:12 PM

So avoiding war with Iran (or anyone else really) depends on the maturity, compassion, and intelligence of the Trump administration?

...Fuck.

edited 1st Dec '16 6:16:35 PM by M84

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#159956: Dec 1st 2016 at 6:48:47 PM

[up] Or Vladimir Putin reminding Trump that Iran is allied with Russia.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159957: Dec 1st 2016 at 6:51:47 PM

Any updates on Mcrory's bullshit attempt to invalidate his opponent's victory in the election for NC governorship?

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#159958: Dec 1st 2016 at 7:02:06 PM

@Madskillz: I just very recently asked for you to provide a link for a quote; please stop giving us quotes without a link for context and proof. It was demonstrated that it's not that hard. After all, you went to the trouble of putting it in a post. Please keep this in mind next time you want to give us something you want to talk about.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#159960: Dec 1st 2016 at 7:13:47 PM

Re: #159927: I found this in the "A single unified LGBT conversation" thread. According to that, McCrory's opponent's lead has exceeded the threshold where a recount can be requested with taxpayer funds, but he could still do so himself.

edited 1st Dec '16 7:14:29 PM by sgamer82

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159962: Dec 1st 2016 at 10:17:41 PM

[up] I am so glad my family fucked out of that area decades ago to live in California.

edited 1st Dec '16 10:18:09 PM by M84

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Jasaiga Since: Jan, 2015
#159963: Dec 1st 2016 at 11:03:08 PM

If California could control its cost of living somehow, with the current situation at hand with this administration, I 'guarantee you the state's population would be above 60 million by 2024, if not higher

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#159964: Dec 1st 2016 at 11:03:59 PM

[up][up][up]That feels arbitrary to me. Really, to give an accurate idea, you'd have to bold dots representing Trump's margin in every state he won.

Or at least Florida, North Carolina, Ohio and Iowa, if we insist on focusing on swing states.

edited 1st Dec '16 11:04:22 PM by Gilphon

JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#159965: Dec 1st 2016 at 11:06:40 PM

I think people need to consider what has been derisively labelled "carpetbagging" basically get Northern Liberals who are wealthy to buy cheap housing in Red states and other areas, and then send local poor renters there with the sole purpose of voting for the next elections.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159966: Dec 1st 2016 at 11:10:58 PM

[up] Granted, there's no guarantee said renters will actually vote the way the rich liberals want them to vote...

[up][up][up] Cost of living, relatively poor public schools, and those damn droughts and wildfires (damn climate change)...

edited 1st Dec '16 11:12:43 PM by M84

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#159967: Dec 1st 2016 at 11:38:33 PM

Huh - are California's public schools really considered poor? My impression was that the state of Khalifa had one of the better education systems in the 'States.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#159968: Dec 1st 2016 at 11:49:42 PM

Has anyone tried debating with Trump on his level, using his own tactics?

Trump: "It's gonna be great, trust me: I make the best (insert anything here), everyone knows this."

Debater: "No, it's gonna be terrible, no-one should trust you: you make the worst (insert anything here), everyone knows this."

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159969: Dec 1st 2016 at 11:52:48 PM

[up] Trying to out-bullshit a guy who has spent his entire life flinging bullshit is not a good idea. He has too much experience in the field.

[up][up] There are some economic segregation issues. The public schools I went to when I was younger were pretty good, but I lived in a fairly affluent district. There's not much middle ground. The good schools are very good, and the bad schools are...bad.

edited 1st Dec '16 11:54:54 PM by M84

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#159970: Dec 1st 2016 at 11:59:31 PM

We're talking about a guy who was born into immense wealth, has extremely tacky tastes that try to flaunt that immense wealth, who has never really HAD to work for anything in his life, and who generally treats everyone with ambivalence at best and extreme incivility at worst. And this guy managed to convince a bunch of middle and working class people, in spite of those qualities, that he was beyond corporate interests, that he "represented" them and that he would "drain the swamp".

I don't know about you guys but this is one of the biggest cons I've ever seen. I don't think it's possible to out-Trump him. He's in a league of his own.

It would be pretty damn funny to see someone try though.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159971: Dec 2nd 2016 at 12:04:11 AM

[up] The problem I think is that they mistook his utter lack of shame and class for Brutal Honesty even though he's one of the most corrupt and dishonest people to walk the Earth. There's a lot of anti-elitism and anti-intellectualism going around these days, which probably played a role in HRC's loss. HRC dresses stylishly in clothes that actually fit, she's well educated, she has vast political experience, she speaks eloquently...that just screams "crooked lying snob" to a lot of people.

I think that was part of Sanders' appeal too. He reminded me a lot of the angry old men with bullhorns who would occasionally show up to yell about shit in the main square of my old college campus. I guess that made him seem more authentic.

edited 2nd Dec '16 12:08:12 AM by M84

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#159972: Dec 2nd 2016 at 12:09:01 AM

Economic segregation is nothing special in US schools. As frequently discussed, relying on local income taxes tends to generate tax-education-income feedback loops. And if memory serves, local income taxes there (CA) are limited too so the state has to fund a large part of education.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159973: Dec 2nd 2016 at 12:15:55 AM

[up] Since I lived in a very affluent district, I'm not personally familiar with the full impact of Prop 13. But by all accounts Prop 13 is one of the reasons California's public school system is not as good as it ought to be. Class sizes are larger for example.

edited 2nd Dec '16 12:18:37 AM by M84

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IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#159974: Dec 2nd 2016 at 2:21:16 AM

Trump: The Choice We Face. From the author of that "rules for surviving an autocracy" article, this one develops further the ideas explored in that one, dealing with the choice between collaboration and resistance.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#159975: Dec 2nd 2016 at 4:48:19 AM

@M84, NC votes for Cooper now exceed 10,000 so Mc Crory can't call for a state recount, but the republican-held election board is playing a loophole; nothing says they can't just call for recounts in individual counties.


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