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Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#155526: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:14:43 PM

Last February I retweeted a tweet that was basically "I better not end up in something called "The Resistence" by the end of the year". Goddamnit, that was supposed to be a joke.

[up]I'd like to not be caught in the crossfire, but we definitely deserve it.

edited 15th Nov '16 4:15:16 PM by Lanceleoghauni

"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#155527: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:15:22 PM

[up][up] That is neither possible nor remotely advisable, the US has nuclear weapons and butchering millions simply because they voted for the wrong person is immoral by most standards of morality.

edited 15th Nov '16 4:15:40 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
randomdude4 Since: May, 2011
#155528: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:16:32 PM

No, humanity was not a mistake. There are a lot of people with bad intentions and narrow minds, but for each of those there are ten who are good, caring people. We're hitting rough waters, sure, but that means we just need to stick together and fight even harder. Despairing won't fix things.

"Can't make an omelette without breaking some children." -Bur
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#155529: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:16:37 PM

[up][up] And letting them kill literally everybody on the planet isn't?

edited 15th Nov '16 4:16:56 PM by Bat178

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#155530: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:17:41 PM

Not sure how much France can do to fight the US's potential leaving.

Anyway, "human guilt", like white guilt, straight guilt, cis guilt, and all the other privilege "guilts" out there is not that a helpful attitude to have. Sure it makes you feel important and good in a masochistic way when you wallow in misery over your self-martyrdom, but that's time that could be spent trying to take action and help the people who need it more or minimize the damage in the first place.

[up]Killing people for the crime of having shitty opinions is fundamentally immoral, even if these opinions are legitimately terrible. Not to mention it sets an extremely bad precedent for if they ever reclaim power.

edited 15th Nov '16 4:23:13 PM by AlleyOop

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155531: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:22:48 PM

[up] I think people need a little bit of time to properly deal with their guilt most of the time and that's perfectly natural and healthy, but you have to move on at some point.

I don't know about you guys but I don't feel particularly embarrassed at being human. It's not like it was humanity as a whole that created these problems, just a lot of us are very hateful or ignorant. Just because they are like that doesn't mean we shouldn't have existed or that we should just give up.

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#155532: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:22:50 PM

I dunno man, I feel like the correct response to, say "Nazis In Power" would be murderzoning the fuck out of them. Following that precedent, violence IS sometimes the answer.

"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#155533: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:24:05 PM

[up] The last thing we want to do is make martyrs out of them.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#155534: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:24:47 PM

I think no man represents better the Republican Party's How the Mighty Have Fallen as John Mc Cain. Who, while very disagreeable, still felt like a respectable man you could reason with. The fact he firmly stood against Trump throughout his entire candidacy somewhat highlights this.

edited 15th Nov '16 4:25:46 PM by Gaon

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#155535: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:24:47 PM

And who gets to determine who's dangerous and deserves to die, pray tell? There's a sizeable chunk of the US population who would decree that people like you are the ones in need of purging, you know.

[up] Except he fell straight in party line and continued to endorse Trump multiple times after he said something repulsive. Man's still got some sense of honor if he's willing to call things out at all, but he's too cowardly and self-interested to actually act on it and put his foot down when he needs to. In some ways that's worse because it makes him hypocritical.

edited 15th Nov '16 4:26:31 PM by AlleyOop

TropesForever God forbid women do anything from wait where is she Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
God forbid women do anything
#155536: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:24:52 PM

Maybe killing a dictator or two, but not killing sixty million mostly innocent people.

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Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#155537: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:27:01 PM

I was arguing specifically against the "Killing people for wrongthink is inherently immoral" by positing that there are in fact situations where unilateral decisions are the only sensible solution. Not arguing that we need to be stringing up trump supporters.

"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#155538: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:28:15 PM

[up] More like climate change deniers are the ones who need to be purged.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#155539: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:28:52 PM

@Climate Change: Well, here's hoping that France and everyone else can convince Trump to do another flip-flop. God knows he's done enough of them already. Although it if can't, then at least I can take solace in the fact that, according to most reports, human civilization might end just after I die from old age.tongue

TropesForever God forbid women do anything from wait where is she Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
God forbid women do anything
#155540: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:29:02 PM

[up][up][up]

You could've made that clearer. But I suppose you have now.

edited 15th Nov '16 4:29:40 PM by TropesForever

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#155541: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:29:07 PM

If being stupid was a crime worth of capital punishment everyone, including the people here, would be dead at one point or another.

Inter arma enim silent leges
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155542: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:29:08 PM

The only sane and decent Republican that I know of atm is Colin Powell. I'm sure some others exist but god the party as a whole is a fucking dumpster fire.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#155543: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:29:19 PM

Can we not fucking talk about purging anyone? Thenardier is right, this thread is turning into a propaganda piece for the right wing to convince people in the middle about how dangerous and loony the left are.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#155544: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:30:45 PM

[up] We are losing our minds over the fact that one fucking country screws up the chance to save the whole planet.

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#155545: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:32:30 PM

[up]The planet doesn't need saving. It'll be here long after we're gone.

As for the people living on the planet that have to deal with the effects on the environment, that's a totally different story...

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#155546: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:32:52 PM

[up][up]That's no excuse to advocate for the murder of an entire country, not even all of whom, might I remind you, even voted for Trump.

edited 15th Nov '16 4:33:07 PM by PhysicalStamina

i'm tired, my friend
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#155547: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:33:27 PM

And? The point is that we're supposed to represent a coalition of sane people. Advocating for the murder of political enemies is not part of our platform.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#155548: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:34:17 PM

[up] What about a scourge of humanity, which climate change deniers are?

edited 15th Nov '16 4:34:27 PM by Bat178

TropesForever God forbid women do anything from wait where is she Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
God forbid women do anything
#155549: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:35:02 PM

[up][up]Agreed. (I was [nja]'d, I don't agree with the post directly above me.)

edited 15th Nov '16 4:37:05 PM by TropesForever

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155550: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:35:07 PM

Yeah can we PLEASE not talk about advocating for the murder of like, anyone?

I understand emotions are running high and some of us might be facing an existential crisis but come on.

That's no excuse to advocate for the murder of an entire country, not even all of whom, might I remind you, even voted for Trump.

More like most of which did not even vote for Trump.

edited 15th Nov '16 4:37:10 PM by Draghinazzo


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