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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
We've been trying to do that for a while. It's starting to come to the point where they have their heads so far in the sand that we just can't fix anything.
Might be nothing left to do but play hard politics until we have the power to just unilaterally drag them into the 21st century kicking and screaming.
edited 15th Nov '16 2:41:14 PM by LeGarcon
Oh really when?Again...the sheer irony is how the GOP is making their deaths come faster by defunding social security.
Wait, are you also Jewish?
edited 15th Nov '16 2:44:06 PM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent legesWaiting for the bigots to die out takes time. It wasn't until the children of slave owners were dust that there was any significant movement towards a more perfect union. I'd rather we move as hard and fast as possible on the issues now so our grandchildren don't need to have the same fights.
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I wasn't really trying to. I'm sure there are other minority people are in the same boat as you. However, you shouldn't expect every minority person (or even most) to find that a reasonable point of view to take, that people will just magically come around and accept you to the point the government will never have to intervene in your favor. They have good reason to believe otherwise.
edited 15th Nov '16 2:48:40 PM by Draghinazzo
Again, a lot of minorities don't feel the same way and you shouldn't expect them to find that reasonable.
Some people will always hate you no matter what. I believe that part of your optimism is assuming that people are more often than not willing to reason and listen if you have legitimately good arguments. It works sometimes, but it doesn't really play out that way if they don't care about logic.
edited 15th Nov '16 2:52:43 PM by Draghinazzo
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I see you are a subscriber to the Booker T. Washington approach to Civil Rights: That it is up to the Minorities, and those who support them, to change the minds of the Bigoted and Racist through Hard Work, Good Works and Perseverance.
A noble idea, but in practice, it doesn't really work, at least not in the short term.
edited 15th Nov '16 2:52:35 PM by DingoWalley1
Fair enough, still I ask why you think the US South would have changed and not simply become like Belarus, Saudi Arabia, Apartheid South Africa and similar? Also can you extrapolate on your belief that Jim Crow was okay to be repealed, slavery was mentioned in the cosntiution and while Jim Crow was a responce to the end of slavery it wasn't legally linked to slavery.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranWhen hate and bigotry are involved you will find it is a losing battle. Try to argue with a antisemitic white nationalist over how the Jews aren't the enemy but regular people and you will see all kinds of mental gymnastics, fabrications and false arguments to prove (((you))) wrong.
Same thing for the racists who think black people should be slaves at best or exterminated like vermin at worst.
Hell just a quick travel to some places like Breibart or Daily Stormer comment's section just to correct their users over racism and discrimination will get you banned from there because they don't want have any arguments besides validating their bigotry.
Read that again, Jim Crow laws weren't legally related to slavery but those laws were created because slavery became illegal.
edited 15th Nov '16 2:59:51 PM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent legesSome of them can, yes. In fact, some people legitimately surprise you with how thoroughly they can change. Glenn Beck has since apologized or tried to make amends for a lot of the things he used to do and say. I myself didn't always hold the positions I do today.
The thing is, not everyone will. In general I think it's not productive to give up, but you have to accept that you can't control what people believe or how they feel at the end of the day and they have to want to change of their own accord.
edited 15th Nov '16 3:02:24 PM by Draghinazzo
Can change and will change are two different things.
For people to change they must want to change first. There is a whole class of people who don't want to change and think that any sort of change is inherently bad because it will make their mindset no longer acceptable in the mainstream society.
Beck's change was also related to him taking his meds.
edited 15th Nov '16 3:03:34 PM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent legesHey, Bense, nice to meet you!
I live in the South, in Mississippi in fact, and there's not a doubt in my mind that were it not for federal intervention, we'd still probably have segregation around. Optimistically, it might have gone away maybe ten, twenty years ago?
I mean, when I went to High School some five years ago, we still had two homecoming kings and prom queens, one white and one black. There are some places in my state that still do segregated proms.
And on LGBT rights? Give me a break, where I'm from the laws forbidding sodomy only went away by court case in 07; and, they're still on the books.
My state didn't ratify the amendment ending slavery until 2013.
Like, you're asking for an entire life-time of waiting to be treated like a god-damn human being. This isn't something small and frivolous you can do without.This is having the right to have a fucking house and a life and a voice in the goddamn government that rules you.
And you think that people down here would have just happily given up their political and social superiority? When the opposing side views you as subhuman, they aren't going to listen to your rhetoric about equality. They aren't even going to listen to you.
edited 15th Nov '16 3:14:57 PM by Matues
Also, I feel it's important to note that just because people CAN change, doesn't mean it's your job to tolerate or support them until they do. Crushing virulent and evil ideas is a moral imperative. Even if eventually they see the error of their ways, until they do it's a nonissue.
"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"edited 15th Nov '16 3:15:14 PM by nervmeister
....What? Seriously!?
edited 15th Nov '16 3:11:14 PM by Gaon
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Totally true Gaon. Yeah.
Also @Bense:
"I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."
"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"It was indeed! I misremembered the lettering because of the similarity, and I apologize to Bense if I caused any offense.
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Oh yes. They voted it in on 1995, but they 'lost' the paperwork until 2013.
edited 15th Nov '16 3:17:05 PM by Matues
And if the decisions made in Washington affect them, then isn't it fair that they have a say in it?
It boggles me that we even need to ask this question. Is this not the literal exact f*cking thing that we declared independence over? Having representation and a voice in the laws that govern us? Is that not the entire basis of why we even are a country?
PMC, I have never agreed with you harder than I do right now.
White. Male. Cisgendered. Heterosexual. I'm just one square away from Privilege Bingo. You know what square I'm missing? Christian.
In Mike Pence's America, that might actually matter. Make no mistake, we are all in danger. Some of us are just in more immediate danger than others. We need to do everything in our power to mitigate as much harm as possible once it starts pouring out of this Presidency. And we need to stand together. We are Stronger Together than we could ever be apart.
Remember the lessons of Nazi Germany. We must protect the Socialists and the Trade Unionists and the Jews. We must speak out for them. If no other reason moves you, then do it because without them, there will be no one left when they came for you.
She's currently at 61,391,139 votes. Obama holds the record at 69,498,516 in 2008 and second place in 2012, 65,915,795 but Hillary's coming up fast on the third-most votes in American history: George W. Bush's re-election in 2004 with 62,040,610.
That's my fucking President
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I needed this.
edited 15th Nov '16 3:21:08 PM by TobiasDrake
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