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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#155201: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:37:00 AM

It really isn't. At the very least, Hillary will get a chance to prove her competence.

LGBT folks will continue to have healthcare and protection from being unreasonably fired or denied housing. None of my people die.

That's not "worse".

edited 15th Nov '16 7:38:07 AM by blkwhtrbbt

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#155202: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:37:43 AM

Hillary's won the popular vote by an absolutely massive margin. If Trump and Trumpites can't accept that then it's on them.

Oh really when?
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#155203: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:38:06 AM

@Silas: Being a blue dog is probably not going to help Bel Edwards in the primary. Or the general election.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#155204: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:40:04 AM

If Hillary wins this way she will lose the election in 2020 no contest. That also happens to be the year the House redistricts. I think our best hope is for Trump to screw up and cause a liberal backlash.

[up][up]None of that matters. The EC is the law of the land. We've already dealt with enough claims about things being rigged. I really don't want Hillary to deal with this bullshit for four years. Heck, I doubt she even wants this to happen.

edited 15th Nov '16 7:41:06 AM by Kostya

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155205: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:41:23 AM

If he screws up it won't just be liberals making a backlash.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#155206: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:43:59 AM

[up]That too. Trump has the potential to make the Republicans anathema to an entire generation of conservative voters while putting the Democrats in a much better position in 2020. Unfortunately letting him get in and mess up might be the best outcome.

edited 15th Nov '16 7:44:27 AM by Kostya

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#155207: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:44:35 AM

Just gotta pray those supreme court judges hold out then.

Oh really when?
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#155208: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:46:18 AM

How big is the popular vote gap currently? I haven't been keeping track of stuff since the election finished, since I decided to take some time away.

Also, I asked and was told before that the vote counts favoring Clinton weren't happening in state that might potentially flip or change the actual electoral result. Is that still true?

If such a thing did happen, if the fully counted popular vote is different from worry the electors did, would changing their vote at that time so be considered faithless?

edited 15th Nov '16 7:47:29 AM by sgamer82

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#155209: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:47:27 AM

This this this. Congress can't just deny deny deny replacements for four years. Hillary might be a shoe-out for 2020 if she wins by Electoral revolt now, but she can solidify Democratic hold on the Supreme Court. Playing defense here, since Congress is solid red.

[up] The EC aren't required to vote by their mandate. They are free to revolt.

edited 15th Nov '16 7:48:05 AM by blkwhtrbbt

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Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#155210: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:47:51 AM

Edwards is like the definition of a 'safe' leftist candidate for a southern state. He swings to the left on a ton of common sense issues while avoiding staking his identity on hot-button topics that would make single-issue conservative voters turn away from him, like abortion and firearms. That makes him great for gently exploiting the current cracks in the right's hold on Louisiana based on his predecessor's impressive degree of incompetence. But it's not going to benefit him much on a national scale, where the issue is getting the left fired up so they'll actually turn out.

In a rational and just world, Bel Edwards would be representative of the 'conservative' side of politics because his policies are conservative in the very literal sense of the word. But unfortunately our national political landscape has degraded to the point where we need to do more than take baby steps.

"Congress can't just deny deny deny replacements for four years."

Can't they, though? What's actually stopping them from just refusing to do their jobs indefinitely until they get their way from now on, since it's proven such a successful strategy with Garland? For that matter, I don't see what's stopping them from applying the same strategy to basically everything until we find a way to punish them for it.

edited 15th Nov '16 7:50:54 AM by Karkadinn

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#155211: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:48:26 AM

I don't think Clinton's a shoe in for anything anymore. Losing to a man whose own campaign revoked his Twitter privileges is probably a career killer.

[down][down] You're right, I misread.

edited 15th Nov '16 7:51:35 AM by sgamer82

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Lost in Space
#155212: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:49:08 AM

I doubt Clinton would accept the result of an EC revolt if it made her President. In a truly bizarro situation where the electoral college voted for her but she withdrew herself from contention, I think the job would go to Tim Kaine.

edited 15th Nov '16 7:49:51 AM by Fighteer

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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#155213: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:49:16 AM

No one is claiming she's a shoo-in for anything.

[up]Why do you say that? Pride?

edited 15th Nov '16 7:49:38 AM by blkwhtrbbt

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#155214: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:49:36 AM

That too. Trump has the potential to make the Republicans anathema to an entire generation of conservative voters while putting the Democrats in a much better position in 2020. Unfortunately letting him get in and mess up might be the best outcome.

Paul Krugman believes that the economy will go well even under Trump and ithe effects of his policy might not be felt until after his first term which means that he'll only get the blame if he makes it to his second term lest his democratic successor receive all the blame

edited 15th Nov '16 8:27:18 AM by MadSkillz

daltar (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#155215: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:50:37 AM

I'd say it's a bad bet to simply say "No yeah, Conservatives will totally be done with the Republicans after 4 years of Trump"

Never bet on the other side burning out due to winning.

If there's any chance for Hillary to still get into the White House, prevent the awful cabinet that Trump is planing on bringing the White House, keep away the legislation that a Republican Senate and Congress will try to make law of the Land and gets to appoint Supreme Court Justices that are not ultra conservative, then by all means go for it.

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#155216: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:52:12 AM

Right. There is no chance for "wait and see" in politics like this. Not this election cycle.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155217: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:52:16 AM

Yeah, while Trump's proposed "policies" are predicted to have negative effects on the economy, we shouldn't take anything he proposed at face value because the guy flip-flops at the drop of a hat. It's possible that the economy will be doing ok by the end of his first term, depending on what the GOP actually does.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#155218: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:53:30 AM

I've thought before that it would be the craziest of ironies if all of Trump's erratic behavior and flip flopping somehow end up making him perceived as a great President.

edited 15th Nov '16 7:53:43 AM by sgamer82

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Lost in Space
#155219: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:54:33 AM

Hillary has conceded. She's been through the emotional roller coaster of realizing that she screwed up her messaging and was hated by enough Democrats to hand the election to Donald Trump. The media has been against her since day one. If I were in her shoes, I would be terrified of appearing to suborn democracy by acceding to an Electoral College revolt; there's no way she could expect to govern effectively. It would validate everything Trump said about the processing being rigged, the facts be damned.

edited 15th Nov '16 7:54:43 AM by Fighteer

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#155220: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:55:11 AM

Even if Hillary wins any accomplishments she makes will just be torn to shreds again in 2020 which the Republicans are almost guaranteed to win. She lost to Trump. Do you really think she'll win against anyone else?

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155221: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:55:56 AM

It would essentially just delay the inevitable.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#155222: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:56:02 AM

You put Clinton in now and the Democratic party become national pariahs. As awful as the GOP is, imagine what they'd do without an opposition.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#155223: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:58:55 AM

[up]Why do you say that? Pride?

Because she'd be considered illegitimate. You think Obama had a hard time winning running the country amongst the obstructionist Republicans and conspiracy theories? Think of those same people will be pushing back against a candidate that actually lost the election.

She'd get nothing done, and the people pissed off now would be even more pissed off in four years and vote for the next nutter. I can totally see her saying "no thank you" to that.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#155224: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:59:41 AM

Like I said, losing to Trump is basically the death of Clinton's career as a politician.

The only potential claim to legitimacy she'd possibly have is if the full vote count shifts what the electoral college vote should have been.

edited 15th Nov '16 8:03:42 AM by sgamer82

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#155225: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:03:36 AM

I'd rather have a Clinton presidency where almost nothing gets done, than a Trump presidency where everything is sure to get worse.


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