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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#154851: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:17:12 PM

All this confusion and anger and insanity — and Trump isn't even in office yet!

I'm not sure I'll be able to get through four years of this crap. sad

Granted, I'm far better off than a lot of people since I am at least fairly certain I will at least survive those four years.

Let's not even think about him getting re-elected. Heck, we re-elected Dubya, right?

edited 13th Nov '16 9:19:17 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#154852: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:20:26 PM

We re-elected Dubya because we were in the middle of two wars and his opponent was a Massachusetts Democrat — essentially electoral dirt.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#154853: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:23:30 PM

[up] So we're fine as long as Trump's administration doesn't drag us into another war and the Democratic Party fields a candidate who is actually electable.

That..doesn't reassure me. sad

Disgusted, but not surprised
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#154854: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:27:56 PM

[up][up][up] If I lose my medical care I will not survive 4 years...

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#154855: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:29:38 PM

It's worth noting that the next Democratic candidate might not even be in the public view yet. Obama wasn't well-known until his keynote speech.

In all honesty, though, we may never again see a Democratic presidency in our lifetimes.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Arutema Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#154856: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:33:37 PM

[up][up][up],[up]The DNC needs to admit it's got a problem re: unelectable candidates. Too many uncharismatic party insiders nominated because its their turn. (Gore, Kerry, H. Clinton).

edited 13th Nov '16 9:33:53 PM by Arutema

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#154857: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:33:40 PM

[up][up] At least not until the Democratic Party figures out what their identity is besides "not as crazy as the GOP", since this election proved the hard way that insanity is not a dealbreaker for a lot of Americans.

edited 13th Nov '16 9:33:56 PM by M84

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dysphere Since: Jan, 2015
#154858: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:38:13 PM

And it was one of those, 'the people really want change, good or bad' elections. Running the very embodiment of the establishment against an anti-establishment candidate was the worst decision they could have made. And they should actually use the primaries as they were intended, to pick the best candidate for the job, not one who's entitled to think that the presidency is their turn.

At least this election must have killed off Clinton's political career, since you can't get a more humiliating defeat than this. And according to leaked emails. the DNC wanted Trump to be the other candidate on purpose, to make it as easy as possible for her to win, and she still lost.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#154859: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:40:42 PM

Out of all the candidates I always thought that HRC would have made for the best President even when Sanders was still in the running.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#154860: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:44:42 PM

[up] Problem is, she's just not much of a campaigner. And her staff made crucial mistakes this time around, like taking the Rust Belt states for granted apparently.

Sanders was pretty good at inspiring people through the novel idea of yelling about revolutionary stuff. Granted, if he had become POTUS, I can't really see how he would have gotten a single item on his agenda past Congress.

edited 13th Nov '16 9:47:33 PM by M84

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#154861: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:46:15 PM

Unelectable or not I think Clinton would've still made for a good president, especially if she was going to be Obama 2.0 with meatier foreign policy.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#154862: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:48:22 PM

[up] I think HRC would have been a good POTUS for the same reason a lot of people refused to vote for her: she's more pragmatist than idealist.

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#154863: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:49:53 PM

Speaking of memes, we can probably expect four years of Sad Trump captions. Trump with a frowny-face in the Oval Office or meeting foreign dignitaries and looking completely overwhelmed, with captions like "I want to go home to my Taco Bowl."

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Arutema Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#154864: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:53:21 PM

She'd have been a good president for sure. She had a plan for practically everything. But, as previously mentioned, real issues getting voters interested and motivated, and a weak social media presence.

Ultimately, I think she's the kind of personality you want in an appointed position like sec. state or supreme court.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#154865: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:54:27 PM

[up] She did leave her Secretary of State position with a good approval rating, the Libya crap notwithstanding.

Disgusted, but not surprised
PhilosopherStones Anyways Here's Darude Sandstorm from The North (lots of planets have them) (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Anyways Here's Darude Sandstorm
#154866: Nov 13th 2016 at 10:25:55 PM

She had a plan for practically everything.

Sadly Americans don't want incremental changes, they want the damn thing fixed now.

Honestly the way her campaign was marketed was so poorly handled I'd go as far as to say that Social Media elected Trump into office in much the same way that Radio did for FDR. Not to mention all the voters he mobilized by exploiting the fact that white supremacists in the southern states likely didn't participate in the previous election for obvious, "surface level" reasons.

There's also the tiny fact that Hillary was essentially an empty suit in the pockets of Time-Warner. Americans don't like "suits", they like individuals with flair who wear their ideals on their shirts (or in this case hats) like superhero logos. Hillary pretty much lost the liberal vote since voting for her meant voting for the "establishment", but no self-respecting liberal would even think about voting for Trump. So they all sat in on election day while their overly idealistic friends voted for either of the two spoilers candidates. Then they had the gall to hop onto social media and say "they are shaken" by the result of the election they barely participated in.

Hillary may have been a good leader but she thoroughly demonstrated her ineptitude by not winning "Democratic" states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wiscosin since she was unable to mobilize democratic voters there. These are states that Bernie could have easily won.

The Democrats have made your bed, America. Now you must sleep in it.

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Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#154867: Nov 13th 2016 at 10:31:42 PM

Okay, to act like she lost the liberal vote seems dishonest - she won the popular vote, after all. The number of people who went with Stein actually seems to have been pretty negligible, and as I understand it, most of Gary Johnson's supporters would have voted Republican if it wasn't for Trump.

The Democrats lost the Rust Belt, that's true. But I'm not sure how much blame we can lay at Hillary Clinton's feet, at least as an individual.

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#154868: Nov 13th 2016 at 10:39:26 PM

When you add in absentee voting, it's likely that Hillary is going to end up with the largest proportion of the votes ever for a candidate who lost the electoral college.

The failure here is not the failure to get votes, it's that her gains relative to Obama were in states like New York, California and Texas, where they don't actually matter, and her loses relative to Obama were in states where they do.

Or, to put it another way, she didn't lose because she was a bad candidate, she lost because the electoral college is a terrible system.

Arutema Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#154869: Nov 13th 2016 at 10:40:19 PM

[up][up]The rust belt largely blamed NAFTA for its job woes, and NAFTA had a fat "Clinton" signature on it.

edited 13th Nov '16 10:40:45 PM by Arutema

PhilosopherStones Anyways Here's Darude Sandstorm from The North (lots of planets have them) (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Anyways Here's Darude Sandstorm
#154870: Nov 13th 2016 at 10:46:49 PM

Let's look at it this way.

She had the support of CNN, the election coverage network. The only campaign ads I saw on the network during the election were her Trump smear campaigns.

And she still lost. She got the popular vote, yes, but without the electoral votes from major swing states she was scrounging for support.

Whether it was her own actions or the actions of her campaign, clearly a lot of people saw fault in either her character or her policies. The fact that she was dragging over 30 years of political baggage around with her didn't help her image at all.

Don't get me wrong, Trump is no saint either, but most of his criticisms were directed at his character. He at least advertised a platform.

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#154871: Nov 13th 2016 at 10:52:34 PM

@Crimson: As I'm only in my early thirties, I find the prospect that I'll never see a Democrat in the presidential office again to be kind of ridiculous. I might see a Democrat in the office as often as I'd like, but I'm pretty sure I'll live to see that again.

[up]Good Lord, if you think he had anything resembling a platform I'm not entirely sure you were watching the same things we were. He ran on celebrity, vague and racist allusions to Muslims and Mexicans, and claiming the media rigged things against him. Whatever platform is there is going to be Pence's platform, and he's got some terrible ideas.

And, quite frankly, the fact that she won the popular vote but lost the electoral says something is seriously fucked about our voting system. Candidates who win the popular vote should win the office, frankly.

edited 13th Nov '16 10:55:21 PM by AceofSpades

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#154873: Nov 13th 2016 at 10:58:46 PM

Man, the fact that 'major swing state' is even a thing we can reasonably talk about just proves my point about how the electoral college is a terrible system, if you ask me.

edited 13th Nov '16 10:59:06 PM by Gilphon

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#154874: Nov 13th 2016 at 11:05:15 PM

Yeah, tons of liberals voted Clinton... The problem is that they were in solid blue states like New York or California or solid red states like Texas, and not in the Rust Belt where they needed to be for Clinton to win the election. Her problem in regards to the Rust Belt was her husband's signature on NAFTA and Trump campaigning on, among other things, renegotiating NAFTA. NAFTA is something that Obama attacked her on in those states in the 2008 primaries so it was definitely a weakness of hers, which Trump was able to exploit to just barely win the Rust Belt and thus the election.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#154875: Nov 13th 2016 at 11:07:49 PM

[up] It sucks that the bad decisions and behavior of the men around HRC were arguably the main things that cost her the presidency. Bill's shenanigans and his signing of NAFTA, Mook's dismissal of Bill's advice, Podesta falling for a phishing scam, and of course Weiner.

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