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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I think part of it isn't just the idiotic "attempts to helps blacks are attempts to make them superior" lot but also people going "yeah life sucks for blacks, my life also sucks but nobody wants to help me", which is kinda a legit complaint if it's aimed at gaining help for them instead of taking help from others.
When we say we can't help rural whites without giving up on minorities we're the ones claiming that it's a zero-sum game.
One can have hope without denying the facts, one of the facts is that Trump is a giant racist.
edited 11th Nov '16 12:59:05 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Nearly all of his policies in his platform would have disastrous consequences. The people he is planning to choose as his new staff are all corrupt, amoral, incompetent scumbags. His vice-president is a homophobic bigot who thinks that (literally) shocking the gay away is a great idea. And there are no checks on his power since Congress belongs to the GOP, and he's going to be able to fill the SCOTUS with conservatives.
He might very well start trade wars that will screw up the global economy. He might trigger actual wars by abandoning our allies.
Oh, and he also might do away with net neutrality.
edited 11th Nov '16 1:03:45 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedCounterpoint from a rural American exhorting rural Americans to visit the city more.
I don't know how exactly we're going to get them to do that though.
The Verge on Net Neutrality:
http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/9/13579800/net-neutrality-donald-trump-election-open-internet
Trump didn't want the job. He was trying to sabotage himself so he'd lose in the republican primaries in second and then again in the last month against Hillary Clinton.
2016 is a joke year.
Here's another insider saying the same thing.
edited 11th Nov '16 1:07:44 AM by MadSkillz
L Dragon, this
article by the Huffington post provides multiple examples of Trump being a racist. This includes Islamophobic (and sexist) remarks to the Khan family, a history of refusing to rent to black people, and disparaging multiple racial groups.
edited 11th Nov '16 1:55:18 AM by SilentColossus
Thing with Michael Moore is I wouldn't even trust my neighbor's dog with him. The second report is a lot more enlightening to me.
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Don't indulge in the genetic fallacy. Just because they said it doesn't make it not true, not when every other news site says the same thing. Up to you whether to take him seriously but it doesn't change the fact that he said those things and many others
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edited 11th Nov '16 1:20:33 AM by AlleyOop
The thing is, it's the fact that nearly every other news site says this stuff that makes me question this. I need the context behind what he was saying.
Granted, some of the stuff he said was indeed stupid (like saying that one judge overseeing his university litigations was Mexican, therefore of course he's against Trump), but I still need to know more.
@Silasw
: That's a good point and I'll choose my words with more care in the future. I've generally tried to avoid discussing politics over the Internet in the past precisely because I'm very good at putting my foot into my mouth.
X3 I think the "kind of" there is being to generous.
X4 Do you normally question concencus amongst informed experts just because there's concencus?
edited 11th Nov '16 1:30:47 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranI suspect that some of them do understand but still care primarily about their issues. On a level the lack of direct exposure means for someone of them it becomes akin to the starving African kid, sure you know it sucks for him much more than it does for you, but your life still sucks and you still want help.
Hell I suspect we all fall into it at times, I've asked for help with my problems despite knowing that others have greater problems than me, that's just human nature.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranI also think some complaints about minority issues will be perceived as Appeal to Worse Problems.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman![]()
Trust us, they sound worse in context.
Yeah, there's that too.
Ultimately, I think the HRC campaign team screwed up. They took the Rust Belt states for granted, figuring that as long as people simply looked up their policies, they'd pick the Democratic Party. As was posted earlier, Bill Clinton even warned Robbie Mook that not paying more attention to the Rust Belt was a bad idea. Mook didn't listen.
HRC's campaign and the DNC in general almost seem like embodiments of the Stop Helping Me and Surrounded by Idiots tropes.
edited 11th Nov '16 1:45:20 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedThey really haven't been exposed to racial issues. I went to a highschool of 1200 and of them there were maybe 8 black students. Eight
For a ton of people out in rural areas, racial problems just plain don't exist. They can't wrap their minds around it because they've never seen it. They think everything was solved with MLK and that things can't be that bad. They'd have seen it right?
But of course they haven't because there just straight isn't a nonwhite person for miles and miles.
edited 11th Nov '16 1:42:08 AM by LeGarcon
Oh really when?What "both sides"? Don't give into the Golden Mean Fallacy. The quotes are often presented as are. And it's hard to find an "other side" to saying that a ban ought to be put on all Muslims, unless you're somehow trying to argue that he doesn't think Muslims should be banned at all. If you think the media is biased for simply reporting what he says then the problem falls on the reader oneself for not being a skeptic but a denialist, not the publication.
I suggest reading this and reevaluating the questions you are asking.
edited 11th Nov '16 1:45:51 AM by AlleyOop

And if they continue to insist that their concerns can only be addressed by fucking over Others - after it is made unequivocally clear that is not case - then they should get called out.
edited 11th Nov '16 12:55:54 AM by Eschaton