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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#153676: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:56:42 PM

[up][up] I'm not sure Trump gives enough of a damn to be eaten up by the presidency like many others have. If the going gets too tough for him, he'll go AWOL and let Pence try to deal with it, merrily leaving millions of people to go suffer while he goes golfing.

edited 10th Nov '16 5:57:19 PM by CaptainCapsase

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153677: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:58:30 PM

I really don't think he gives enough of a damn. I can see him maybe trying to be president for a little while but then quitting and coming back to it in cycles when it gets too hard for him.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#153678: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:58:55 PM

The best case scenario for Trump's mental health is what I've been referred to in my head as 'President Pence'- Trump just functions as a figurehead and leaves the hard and emotionally draining bits to the GOP.

Which would be bad, but not apocalyptic. As long as environmental concerns aren't totally quashed, I suppose. Because that could become apocalyptic.

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#153679: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:59:00 PM

[up]x3 That's my impression of him as well. Trump will attend the dinners and "fun" events while Pence does the actual work.

edited 10th Nov '16 5:59:11 PM by nightwyrm_zero

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#153680: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:59:05 PM

If Trump does crash the Canadian and Mexican economies, you can kiss our political sanity goodbye to. Not sure if it will be left or right wing style crazy, but it will be there.

Pence isn't as bad as Trump on foreign policy, and his probably more mindful on the budget/taxes. But he's terrible on climate change and literally evil on social issues.

edited 10th Nov '16 6:00:34 PM by Rationalinsanity

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#153681: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:59:44 PM

It should be pointed out that the "Roaring 20s" were still mired in a general loan bubble which lead to the worst depression ever.

As for Trump's health, it all depends on how the man himself handles his health. The best medicine in the world didn't stop Bill Clinton from needing a few open-heart surgeries after leaving office thanks to his addiction to fast-food while in.

As for changing tunes, I don't expect much to change, but I could easily see some small things change.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153682: Nov 10th 2016 at 6:02:40 PM

As for Trump's health, it all depends on how the man himself handles his health. The best medicine in the world didn't stop Bill Clinton from needing a few open-heart surgeries after leaving office thanks to his addiction to fast-food while in.

From my understanding Trump himself has the same problem. I don't see him changing his health habits, no matter what his doctors as president will tell him.

edited 10th Nov '16 6:05:03 PM by Draghinazzo

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#153683: Nov 10th 2016 at 6:06:19 PM

Dubya didn't seem that interested in actually leading and he also went noticeably gray by the end of his presidency.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#153684: Nov 10th 2016 at 6:06:53 PM

Oh yeah, considering Trump's ego, I don't expect him to change his tune on his own health, unless he has a health scare, and even then, I don't expect him too.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#153685: Nov 10th 2016 at 6:09:30 PM

Dubya was apparently more involved than people gave him credit for. But yes, this is a job where you are lucky to get 5 hours of sleep a night, lots of travel, huge stress, uneven hours....

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153686: Nov 10th 2016 at 6:11:10 PM

But yes, this is a job where you are lucky to get 5 hours of sleep a night, lots of travel, huge stress, uneven hours....

Putting it like that I don't see Trump lasting in that environment for very long.

I can easily see him maybe enduring it for like 3 days, saying "fuck it" and then telling Pence to deal with all the problems.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#153687: Nov 10th 2016 at 6:12:35 PM

As ungracious as it is of me, it would please me to see Trump suffer. It would please me greatly.

Except that same suffering would wind up getting taken out on us, I suppose.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153688: Nov 10th 2016 at 6:13:35 PM

If he suffers too much we have to deal with Pence ruling instead, which is shitty on social issues but better than dictator trump on a worldwide scale.

It's pick your poison at its finest.

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153689: Nov 10th 2016 at 6:13:43 PM

[up][up]Would that acceleration of age then go to Pence?

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#153690: Nov 10th 2016 at 6:14:19 PM

I wonder if Trump getting access to top secret intel briefings will change him at all? Or just governing in general?

Almost certainly not, but stranger things have happened....

Didn't he already have some access to that during the election? I recall hearing about him getting briefed on some things once he was confirmed as nominee.

edited 10th Nov '16 6:14:40 PM by xanderiskander

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#153691: Nov 10th 2016 at 6:14:56 PM

Uhm.... do we have any actual proof he's in poor health? I'm not doubting how the stress of the presidency ages the holders of office, but you guys seem to be speculating on it with no fact. Granted, the bizarre business with the doctor does lend itself to some doubt, but I don't exactly think Trump's been dogged by rumors of things like heart issues.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#153692: Nov 10th 2016 at 6:16:11 PM

Pence isn't even 60 IIRC, he'll survive. And frankly, social issues will suck for the next 2-4-8 years, it doesn't matter if Pence or Trump is running the show.

[up]He's obese (or borderline), over 70, takes drugs to control his cholesterol, and everyone who knows him says he eats way too much fast food. And that's just what he admitted.

edited 10th Nov '16 6:17:25 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153693: Nov 10th 2016 at 6:16:39 PM

[up][up][up]Yes, both he and Clinton received classified intelligence briefings during the campaign. It's standard procedure since I think Truman implemented it after learning about the Manhattan Project like one week after FDR's death.

edited 10th Nov '16 6:17:08 PM by megarockman

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#153694: Nov 10th 2016 at 6:17:00 PM

Two articles on the dangers of two-dimensional thinking among the left. Something to ruminate on if we are to have any realistic strategies towards defeating bigotry.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#153695: Nov 10th 2016 at 6:17:01 PM

@Drag: Trump already seems to be up at 3 AM half of the time, so I'm not sure the hours are too much for him, and his stunning egomania might insulate him from the stress of the horrific choices he might be called upon to make, while also giving him the gall to just walk away and let others deal with it if it becomes too much for him.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#153696: Nov 10th 2016 at 6:18:21 PM

[up][up][up][up] He's borderline obese and takes cholesterol medicine, according to medical reports, eats a lot of fast food, and the way he kept on sniffing and looked like he was gasping for air at times during the debates.

edited 10th Nov '16 6:19:43 PM by Bat178

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153697: Nov 10th 2016 at 6:19:14 PM

Uhm.... do we have any actual proof he's in poor health?

My understanding is that he's survived almost entirely on fast food for most of his life. I don't know of any official diagnosis about Trump's health but that can't be good for you either way.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#153698: Nov 10th 2016 at 6:20:38 PM

@Rational: And with our luck as a nation he'll live to the ripe old age of 87 and die peacefully right before the colossal economic bubble he set in motion collapses the global economy.

[up][up] The sniffling doesn't really show up in his rallies, so maybe he was just a bit under the weather.

edited 10th Nov '16 6:21:40 PM by CaptainCapsase

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#153699: Nov 10th 2016 at 6:22:43 PM

Lots of people live off fast food, for whatever reason. Most manage to get by.

But yeah, this is basically speculation. Breathing weird just seems more like no one ever game him any sort of speech prep such as "Don't breathe into the fucking mike" and the rest are things that lots of people live with and manage well into old age. And, regarding old age, lots of our presidents have been pretty old when getting into office. This is, in fact, speculation. I'd be more convinced if there was actual proof he'd ever, like, had a heart attack or fainting spell. And in any case, this sort of thing is what V Ps and the whole rest of the line of succession have long since been establish for so we're not left without a leader. Given that many are suspecting Pence will be the power behind the man, I'm not really sure Trump dying would affect all that much.

germi91 Public Servant from Spain Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#153700: Nov 10th 2016 at 6:23:36 PM

The problem isn't fast food itself per se. You could technically lose fat eating only fast food so long as your caloric intake is lower than your maintenance level. It has more to do with the amount of food in general he eats on a daily basis, with an imbalance of macro and micronutrients coming second.

Not that I think President-Elect Donald Trump has his diet in order given what has been mentioned (obesity, high "bad" cholesterol most likely, etc). He most likely eats in excess in terms of calories and suffers deficiencies in certain micronutrients (and most likely follows the staple excessive carbohydrate/sugar and high sodium western diet).

edited 10th Nov '16 6:25:55 PM by germi91

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