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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#153526: Nov 10th 2016 at 3:28:51 PM

Its a relic of federalism I think, certain states were given guarantees to get them to join.

It exists in Canada as well, Quebec and Atlantic Canada should technically (using rep by pop math) be losing seats as their percentage of the population goes down. But the BNA Act guarantees them a certain percentage, because they wouldn't have joined up otherwise.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#153527: Nov 10th 2016 at 3:30:16 PM

So they decided to let the small states drown out the voices of the large ones instead. Makes sense.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#153528: Nov 10th 2016 at 3:30:50 PM

[up] It made sense in the context of the 18 century.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153529: Nov 10th 2016 at 3:31:04 PM

I also feel like a lot of people on the left are being very complacent about their problems or just ignoring them because they view themselves as having a moral high ground to the point where those kinds of things don't matter.

But that position is extremely dangerous and in some cases people are already abusing social justice rhetoric for their own ends, exploiting the trust that community is built around in some extremely insidious ways. I feel like a lot of social justice activists haven't even considered the possibility that their ideals can be perverted, and it's going to eventually have a cost.

edited 10th Nov '16 3:32:26 PM by Draghinazzo

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153530: Nov 10th 2016 at 3:31:15 PM

[up]x3 Way back when state governments were a lot more powerful, electors were generally selected by state legislature - constitutionally it's up to the state governments. It took some time before all the states moved to popular vote allocation.

[up]x2 [nja]

[up]If I'm honest I think I have to consider myself guilty of being in the ivory tower echo chamber too long.

edited 10th Nov '16 3:32:22 PM by megarockman

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153531: Nov 10th 2016 at 3:33:38 PM

Yeah, I'm guilty of that too myself. It's a lot easier to surround yourself with like-minded people, and much harder to not do that especially when your opposition includes a bunch of people who believe and do some pretty terrible things.

Grounder Main Character Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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#153532: Nov 10th 2016 at 3:39:32 PM

Someone's opinion.

Pretty vitriolic, just as a heads up.

edited 10th Nov '16 3:41:17 PM by Grounder

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#153533: Nov 10th 2016 at 3:43:34 PM

Man's talking out his ass, Clinton did offer change. But no one read the platform and she was pretty bad at putting it forward.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#153534: Nov 10th 2016 at 3:43:40 PM

I think people underestimate just how much other people despise...other people.

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randomdude4 Since: May, 2011
#153535: Nov 10th 2016 at 3:44:28 PM

Are there still protests going on in the major cities? I don't want this to end up one of those situations where it dies out super quickly. People need to stay angry and ready to fight back.

edited 10th Nov '16 3:45:05 PM by randomdude4

"Can't make an omelette without breaking some children." -Bur
BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#153536: Nov 10th 2016 at 3:49:58 PM

I think that video has a great point. I actually was getting pissed off at my "side" for having degenerated into easily offended wimps.

Now, this doesn't justify, say, the tactics of the alt-right (shout down your opponent and intimidate them into silence), but... oh wait, those are the tactics of the... shall I call them "alt-left"?

Hillary also offered nothing particularly new, and people were indeed sick of more of the same. I agree with those who thought that "more of the same" was leagues better than Trump, but a lot of America didn't see it that way. They wanted change, period, and Hillary didn't offer any.

My older brother (not the manospherian; rather, the well-adjusted family man) planned to vote Hillary even though she was "a manufactured candidate". He knew how fake she was, but was going to vote for her anyway. As did I. But a lot of people looked at fake vs., uh, full of shit, and chose "full of shit" instead.

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#153537: Nov 10th 2016 at 3:51:13 PM

[up][up]I don't want more protests! They're not helping, and I'm seeing headlines from right-wing sites displaying on Google News saying "Trump wins, and left throws a temper tantrum". It doesn't make these people look good at all. It makes them look like babies.

edited 10th Nov '16 3:51:21 PM by BonsaiForest

Grounder Main Character Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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#153538: Nov 10th 2016 at 3:51:30 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]I think that he meant no change from the perceived status quo of the US government as a whole, not individual policy X instead of individual policy Y.

edited 10th Nov '16 4:08:43 PM by Grounder

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153539: Nov 10th 2016 at 3:51:40 PM

[up][up][up] I don't know about them dying down but I expect there will be more as time goes on, though perhaps not with the same frequency. BLM I believe still protests and does things, but Trump is a consistent danger to the lives of many americans.

[up][up] No. People have to show their vocal disapproval of Trump and reject what he stands for. As long as the protests are peaceful there is nothing wrong with them. We can't just roll over and let the alt-right and the bigots reign unopposed.

By that same logic you might as well tell any protester not to protest because anyone can say they're being babies over whatever.

edited 10th Nov '16 3:54:34 PM by Draghinazzo

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#153540: Nov 10th 2016 at 3:55:07 PM

Howard Dean is seeking the DNC Chairperson position again, vowing to relaunch the party's 50 State Strategy.

Well, at least some in the party seem to have a clue to a degree.

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#153541: Nov 10th 2016 at 3:59:05 PM

We can tell people we reject what Trump stands for, but these protests are not the sort of thing that'll change minds.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#153542: Nov 10th 2016 at 3:59:50 PM

[up][up] I just had a mental image of him running for POTUS in 2020, and winning. Because when you compare his big "scandal" to Trump...

edited 10th Nov '16 4:00:03 PM by CaptainCapsase

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153543: Nov 10th 2016 at 4:02:41 PM

We can tell people we reject what Trump stands for, but these protests are not the sort of thing that'll change minds.

The protests are more of a public display of disapproval of Trump and showing that he will be held to high scrutiny during his presidency. They're not necessarily meant to "change minds", just to show the bigots, the alt-right and everyone else that not everyone is with them.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#153544: Nov 10th 2016 at 4:03:00 PM

[up][up][up] We're not limited to only one course of action - we can do other things besides protest. The protests serve to let everyone know, in no uncertain terms, that there are millions of us who will not stand for this shit. If nothing else, it serves to remind all of the terrified people out there that they are not alone.

Partially [nja]'d.

edited 10th Nov '16 4:03:25 PM by RBluefish

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#153545: Nov 10th 2016 at 4:04:56 PM

Dean is hardly the worst, and he's an actual example of the media rigging a race against someone.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#153546: Nov 10th 2016 at 4:08:46 PM

"Ivory echo tower" is not an unfair term to use. I consider myself relatively center, and honestly sometimes I'm even driven away from this very subforum because of how little space for alternate views there is at times.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#153547: Nov 10th 2016 at 4:08:59 PM

Yeah, Dean's biggest deal is basically "he screamed oddly once".

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#153548: Nov 10th 2016 at 4:10:13 PM

Of what I understand, he's very much in the Neo Liberal post 90s wing of the party, but he's progressively outside the center circle enough that he might be viewed as authentic.

Let's hope he gets in, or at least someone with ideas like his, that aren't focused on Clintonian Triangulation.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#153549: Nov 10th 2016 at 4:13:50 PM

Neo-liberal? Perhaps. But he also has a pretty left-leaning record on healthcare, unions and war.

edited 10th Nov '16 4:15:06 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
randomdude4 Since: May, 2011
#153550: Nov 10th 2016 at 4:15:21 PM

edited 11th Dec '16 8:42:35 PM by randomdude4

"Can't make an omelette without breaking some children." -Bur

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