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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
As suggestions for making your social networks less echo-chambery, first of all, this is a terrible time to have your heartfelt views challenged, wait until things are more calm and then check those you follow/followers for people with opposing views but who aren't deliberately trying to belittle people over them.
And that's how I ended up in the wardrobe. It Just Bugs Me!Draghinazzo: Here is an example of that going well then.
I suggest you read the entire thread. Might cheer you up.
edited 10th Nov '16 2:36:56 PM by SaintDeltora
"Please crush me with your heels Esdeath-sama!Here's an article on it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obama-can-appoint-merrick-garland-to-the-supreme-court-if-the-senate-does-nothing/2016/04/08/4a696700-fcf1-11e5-886f-a037dba38301_story.html
Again, I don't know how plausible it is.
edited 10th Nov '16 2:42:28 PM by Pseudopartition
Yeah, I really want to hang out with the folks who'd call me things like "nigger Jew" and shout down any disagreements with the term "cuck," which is what the alt-right who supports Trump likes to do. Learning how they think is an simple as looking through the comments of any given Youtube video or Internet article.
I don't have trouble debating conservatives or trying to find common ground with them, and I don't believe in not making friends with people because "ideological purity," but these guys are something else. You can't debate in good faith with people like that, and you're braver than me if you're a queer and/or PoC person who'll willingly deal with them in meatspace where they might just get violent with you.
Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.Some DNC internal disputes at a meeting
Donna Brazile, the interim leader of the Democratic National Committee, was giving what one attendee described as “a rip-roaring speech” to about 150 employees, about the need to have hope for wins going forward, when a staffer identified only as Zach stood up with a question.
“Why should we trust you as chair to lead us through this?” he asked, according to two people in the room. “You backed a flawed candidate, and your friend [former DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz] plotted through this to support your own gain and yourself.”
Some DNC staffers started to boo and some told him to sit down. Brazile began to answer, but Zach had more to say.
“You are part of the problem,” he continued, blaming Brazile for clearing the path for Trump’s victory by siding with Clinton early on. “You and your friends will die of old age and I’m going to die from climate change. You and your friends let this happen, which is going to cut 40 years off my life expectancy.”
Zach gathered his things and began to walk out. When Brazile called after him, asking where he was going, he told her to go outside and “tell people there” why she should be leading the party.
Two DNC staffers confirmed the exchange.
Asked for comment, Brazile said in an email, “As you can imagine, the individual involved is a member for the staff and I personally do not wish to discuss our internal meetings.”
A DNC spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.
Brazile, a seasoned Democratic strategist, is the DNC’s interim chair until March 2017, when party officials hold a full DNC meeting to elect a new chair. Brazile has been filling in since July, when then-chair Wasserman Schultz stepped down after Wiki Leaks released internal DNC emails showing party officials trying to help Clinton win the Democratic primary.
Brazile ran into her own bit of trouble in October when Wikileaks released emails showing that, in her role as a CNN strategist, she shared questions for CNN-sponsored candidate events in advance with friends on Clinton’s campaign.
Neither of the DNC staffers who spoke to Huff Post knew Zach’s last name, or much about him. They noted that he wasn’t alone in his sentiments. Some in the room nodded as he spoke, they said, and after he left, some talked about him being right on some points (perhaps not his claims about imminent death by climate change).
A third attendee told Huff Post that, despite Zach’s blow-up, there was “overwhelming” support for Brazile in the room. Her motivational words “had some staffers in tears, per this attendee, and Brazile spoke to Zach’s concerns after he left.
“If he had stayed, he would have heard that,” this person said.
Brazile could move to stay on as chair after March, but Thursday’s meeting shows at least some party officials want fresh blood at the top.
“The party is at a crossroads. They have been using the same playbook for decades, and now, they won’t let anyone else come in and change it up,” said one former longtime DNC staffer, who requested anonymity to speak freely. “The fact that Democrats just sat through a devastating defeat and now have to trust the leadership that not only contributed to Clinton’s loss, but the crushing 2014 midterm losses, well, what do they expect?”
So I just finished an interesting conversation with a Republican woman who voted more against Hilary than for Trump.
I'm sure most of you would disagree vehemently with her reasons for that, and I'm going to be looking some things up, but at the very least I got the impression she at least tried to go into this informed without hate. Which is cool.
Still vehemently disagree with the decision, but, it was still civil.
edited 10th Nov '16 2:58:32 PM by LSBK
You know, I feel like the people here are a lot smarter than some of the people in charge of the DNC. How exactly can we get our message to them? You know, convince them of how they need to change their message, things they can do like what Pykrete suggested, and so on? I feel like messaging and e-mailing them isn't enough to do the point, we need someone to stand up and go to them. And not one of the more reactionary Tumblr types.
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I wouldn't say it is a caricature anymore.
I got called a "shill libtard CTR cuck" for pointing out Trump's history with immigration and how he isn't the anti-globalist anti-establishment in the comment section on a Reuters article about immigration. Not by one commenter but several.
I gave up arguing with them because, lets be honest, it is an exercise in futility.
Maybe if you can find a forum like TVT with decent moderation or a stable forum population but open discussions over Trump have been a pissing contest for months.
edited 10th Nov '16 2:53:52 PM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent legesCaptain: ...how do you know it's a caricature? There is proof of folks doing just that. I myself have talked with trump supporters before. In New York, mind you, so it's own realm, but I've definitely not succeeded at many conversations because there is such a base disagreement. I have spent hours explaining racism to folks only for them to respond "but the blacks..." and say exactly what they did before.
This is not some media-perfect example of "oh well you gosh darned LIBERALS and your SAFE SPACES."
Read my stories!Correct, but there's still a difference in power. Minority folks have a LOT more to fear from the stereotypes of the alt-right, than the average person has to fear from an extreme sjw type.
Read my stories!
I would agree that the alt-right is currently a lot more threatening than the "alt-left" if you will by virtue of being much closer to power, but I don't agree with the notion that they aren't dangerous. Case in point that miniature wave of police killings after that big shooting in Dallas.
edited 10th Nov '16 2:59:43 PM by CaptainCapsase
There will always be isolated incidents, but the best way I can explain it is what my friend told me, who is jewish.
Her first thought when she sees a swastika, is to fear for her family. It could be a neo-nazi, it could be dumb kids pulling a prank, but her first thought is abject fear that someone is out to get her and her family.
And much like many racial minorities, these fears are not unfounded. Is it so hard to believe that, in our current climate, that minorities might be a tad more historically justified in wanting to avoid the alt-right?
Read my stories!So Nate Cohn
was retweeted in my timeline. He covers polling / demographics, and he thinks the reason Hillary lost, is because Obama voters flipped to Trump because of his promises for change.
He points out that the turnouts actually weren't all that different in some states. Uses graphs and news sources to illustrate some areas like Florida and Pennsylvania where there similar turnouts, and 2012 Obama voters could have flipped and voted for Trump
edited 10th Nov '16 3:01:55 PM by xanderiskander
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They aren't isolated incidents. The radicalization of the right is much, much further along in my view, but there's potential for the very same thing to happen on the left if the democrats stick their heads in the sand and double down like the GOP did in the wake of 2012.
edited 10th Nov '16 3:01:33 PM by CaptainCapsase
@153463: I suspect that those of my general family who voted for Trump are generally the same kind of people. Not really fans of Hillary because they think she's corrupt (though to be said, the same can be said of a lot of politicians), but not really fans of Trump either (my mother called Trump "childish"). I don't really like how either candidate was the only choice that we could vote for partywise, when other candidates from the same parties would have been better overall.
edited 10th Nov '16 3:07:01 PM by Dravencour

Human motivation is rarely that simple. Are Trump's supporters racist? Many if not most are to varying degrees, but except for the most extreme cases, bigotry is not the some total of their motivation; that much is certain for the large number of former Obama voter who defected to Trump.
edited 10th Nov '16 2:39:14 PM by CaptainCapsase