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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#153276: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:14:51 AM

What about Kaine?

[up]Trump 2016 - Kanye 2020 - Camacho - 2024

edited 10th Nov '16 10:22:35 AM by AngelusNox

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megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153277: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:16:03 AM

Kaine I'm concerned that they'd try to tag him with Clinton.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153278: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:17:24 AM

Some have said Elizabeth Warren. I have to confess I don't know too much about her but taking into account the results of this election and the probable causes, there are some things I say would be desirable:

- The candidate has to be charismatic and motivating. No in an ideal world people would care more about policies and competence than "feels" but as we've seen they care more about emotion than reason. It sucks but we need all the help we can get, so we need someone who has it all like Obama.

- It would be great if they were able to sell something that the midwestern voters and the rural voters that Clinton wasn't able to snag. From what you guys are telling me it's gonna be SUPER hard considering they've resisted attempts to help them for years but the Dems might lose again if they can't get them.

- It would also be good if they were able to give the appearance of not being overly tied to big business/the establishment/whatever. It wouldn't necessarily matter that they were, it would just be good if they couldn't hammer that as hard as they could with Clinton.

edited 10th Nov '16 10:20:44 AM by Draghinazzo

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#153279: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:18:36 AM

I mean, if Trump does as badly as we all fear he will do, almost any Democrat will be able to stop him.

Warren looks like an early choice, I think Sanders is too old now.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153280: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:19:49 AM

Well, certainly I don't see things getting BETTER under Trump for just about anybody. Even if by some miracle they're only slightly worse, that's still not the shaking things up that people wanted.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#153281: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:21:35 AM

What about some of the new Democrats who got into office just now? I feel like some of them could develop a name for themselves over the next four years by battling Trump tooth and nail.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#153282: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:21:37 AM

Fuck I don't want a trade war with Canada that would probably ruin my life.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#153283: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:23:37 AM

Has Hillary said anything about the possibility of her running for POTUS again in 2020?

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#153284: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:24:17 AM

[up][up]A trade war doesn't mean a shooting conflict, it just means trade disputes over prices and restrictions. No matter how much I like to joke about it, the chance of an actual conflict between Canada and the US is close to 0. You'd still be able to move between the two (you are a duel citizen, right) and work in either one. And Congress is unlikely to sanction Trump screwing economically with America's largest trading partners.

[up]Nothing either way, but she's probably done politically.

edited 10th Nov '16 10:25:52 AM by Rationalinsanity

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153285: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:24:27 AM

[up][up] Not to my knowledge, but she shouldn't. She's done after this. I have nothing against Hillary but I don't want to chance 4 more years of Trump.

edited 10th Nov '16 10:25:20 AM by Draghinazzo

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153286: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:25:30 AM

From an outside perspective, it's almost like we're hoping things get bad economically - it's rather twisted in its result, unfortunately.

The thing I'm wondering is what if things actually get better (or just looks it Potemkin-village-style)? It's a damn near certainty it won't for minorities on the rights front, but I think this election has shown, at least, that economic security is a concern for the public at large.

I agree - I cannot see Clinton running again. Which is a shame, really.

edited 10th Nov '16 10:26:36 AM by megarockman

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#153287: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:25:46 AM

Honestly, I really fucking hate how it is more important what a candidate makes the public feel rather than look objectively at their historic and their proposals under an analytic eye.

Welcome to the post-fact politics, where truth doesn't matter, feelings and reactions are more important than evidence and everything is subjective as long as you agree with it.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153288: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:27:11 AM

If things do get better economically chances of Trump being re-elected will be much higher I think. People aren't educated enough to properly understand cause and effect, they just blame the most visible target. If things are good under Trump for them, they'll vote for him again over someone else.

I really doubt they will especially for the anxious white middle class and rural voters. Nothing Trump and his cabinet will do will benefit them in any way, and in fact with the ACA some of those middle class voters might get fucked over even harder.

edited 10th Nov '16 10:31:32 AM by Draghinazzo

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#153289: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:29:08 AM

Booker's too corrupt. Like, actually corrupt and not just Clinton "feels" corrupt.

Seems my opinions on what to do with the deplorables were thump-worthy. Damn shame, but i'll take the critique and tone it down a little.

I like Al Franken, actually. He'll have 12 years in the Senate behind him in 2020, has a background as an entertainer but is also serious about politics, and is from the upper Midwest.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#153291: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:33:04 AM

Stein as the Dem VP? That's basically left-wing Palin. No thank you.

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#153292: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:33:46 AM

What do you guys think of the claims that if Sanders had gotten the nomination he would've crushed Trump? Sounds like a heap of wishful thinking from brogressives to me, but I'm not as informed on US ploitics as I could be.

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megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153293: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:34:06 AM

Which means preparations must be made to counter Breibart and co's version of "facts". Trump already has disparaged the federal government's statistics on employment and questioned its accuracy - I don't think come Jan 20 the official data will start to become scuzzy because there are gap measures in place between political appointees and the actual datacrunching, but I'll bet such sites will start blaring about the "real unemployment rate".

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#153294: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:36:54 AM

If we are in post-facts universe, its time to fight fire with fire. The right deserves what they dish out.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#153295: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:37:23 AM

Things getting better is almost certainly impossible. Obamacare getting axed is going to see to that. If he makes good on ruining trade deals then prices will rise which should put the squeeze on middle class families. We might not be able to convince the majority to go back to the Democrats but enough should get turned off that a win is easier.

Edit: Running someone that's not Hillary should help. They won't have a knee-jerk hatred of them.

edited 10th Nov '16 10:38:15 AM by Kostya

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#153296: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:37:36 AM

RE Sanders: someone posted here an article that was "I've done some opposition research on Sanders, and he'd have been crushed" because there was ground for a lot of bad narratives to be stuck on him.

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Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#153297: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:37:43 AM

What do you guys think of the claims that if Sanders had gotten the nomination he would've crushed Trump?

Impossible to prove either way.

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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#153298: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:37:46 AM

"Crushed" might be an overstatement, since he was not a perfect candidate either. However, in comparison to Trump's problems, I do believe Sanders would not have lost the Upper Midwest - the Rust Belt - to a rich bigoted blowhard.

edited 10th Nov '16 10:38:26 AM by Eschaton

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153299: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:37:55 AM

What do you guys think of the claims that if Sanders had gotten the nomination he would've crushed Trump? Sounds like a heap of wishful thinking from brogressives to me, but I'm not as informed on US ploitics as I could be.

The debate is centered around the idea that Clinton was a very unpopular candidate. Even a lot of would-be democratic-leaning voters had nothing but contempt and apathy for her.

I'm told that Sanders also polled better and had more appealing rhetoric to the middle class and rural voters who Hillary was not able to able to court.

I really can't say much outside of that.

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Lost in Space
#153300: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:38:59 AM

If Trump actually does what he's said he will, the economic consequences will be so disastrous that there will be little chance of him winning reelection. The question will be how long it will take to put the pieces of our nation back together, and/or whether some of the damage, particularly around climate change, will be irreversible.

edited 10th Nov '16 10:39:24 AM by Fighteer

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