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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#153201: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:53:03 AM

Does anyone seriously believe Hillary's election would have caused WWIII?

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#153202: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:53:05 AM

]And the rest of the world will have to sit by while Trump's climate policy looks like the bio of a Captain Planet villain.

And if you think that Clinton was more likely to trigger WW3, you haven't been paying attention. A potential no-fly zone is nothing compared to a policy that extorts or deserts NATO allies, encourages arms races in Asia, wants to further destabilize the ME (potentially striking Iran or invading it, even though the work policy is working), all headed by someone with no impulse control.

[up][up]You have four hopes on that front. 1 and 2 is that Bayer and Ginsberg stay alive and don't retire for 4 years. 3 is that Kennedy will probably swing liberal on that issue. 4 is that Roberts values the legitimacy of the Supreme Court more than his ideology and probably won't overturn a landmark precedent.

edited 10th Nov '16 8:54:35 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153203: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:53:10 AM

One wonders whether that's years and years of politician-pledge-breaking (of all stripes) leading to voter cynicism.

I think that's likely, yes.

Personally, I voted Gary Johnson knowing he'd lose. I'm from Louisiana. I already knew who'd win the state. And I'm personally fine with Trump winning. The alternative could've been WWIII with Russia and no one would have wanted that. He won fair and square, and us Americans will need to live with the fact that Trump is now the president.

In addition to what others have said, I want you to consider the fact that by Trump becoming president, an immense amount of bigotry and hatred has been validated and there already have been reports of harrassment and hate crimes from neo-nazis and other bigots. LGBT rights are going to take a massive beating. And while I think it's unlikely, Trump has been on record saying that he doesn't understand why we can't just "use nukes". This is a man with a hair-trigger temper and skin thinner than a latex glove with access to the nuclear codes, in theory.

This is not the optimal outcome and if you think it is you are missing a lot of information.

edited 10th Nov '16 8:57:11 AM by Draghinazzo

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#153204: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:54:04 AM

carbon-mantis: What the hell is this, "vote for Trump and commit suicide so it's the people we dislike that get stuck with the bill"?

World War 3: This Is Your Brain On Breitbart.

edited 10th Nov '16 8:55:08 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
RedRob Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
#153205: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:55:59 AM

@carbon-mantis My sister went to WCU for graduate school a few years back. It frightens me to think to such a thing could happen to an area she lived in for a few years. You have my sympathies.

edited 10th Nov '16 8:56:44 AM by RedRob

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet Unless I grew it. In that case, throw it in the trash.
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153206: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:56:14 AM

smokey: There may still be some hope, so long as RBG and co stay on. As I said previously, Roberts did oppose the ruling but so far I have found him to be rational and consistent in his arguments, and it's my impression he's generally loathe to actively go back on a previous ruling.

edited 10th Nov '16 8:56:26 AM by megarockman

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#153207: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:56:51 AM

@Smokey Sadly, with Congress and the Supreme Court on his side, there's not much standing in his way to prevent it. At the very least, he'll make gay marriage very difficult.

edited 10th Nov '16 8:57:07 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#153208: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:57:47 AM

Does anyone seriously believe Hillary's election would have caused WWIII?

This was mostly work of /pol/ and the Putinbots meming that narrative into the social media but apparently enough people bit the bait and started parroting that they were seeing in social media.

Which ties with calling ther Killery over Benghazi allowing that narrative to mesh with a bullshit scandal.

Inter arma enim silent leges
Raddishes Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#153209: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:58:07 AM

I'm still confused over how Clinton won the popular vote, but Trump won the Electoral College and gets the president role. How the heck does that work? People actually voted for Clinton but the U.S.A went "Nah, I like Trump instead. Ignore my people."?

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153210: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:58:56 AM

Welcome to the Electoral College.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153211: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:59:03 AM

It kills me to say this smokey but I figured right away when Trump got elected that LGBT people were gonna suffer some of the biggest losses.

Even in the best case scenario of Trump doing very little and letting Pence and his cabinet do all the work, Pence is still a raging bigot who believes in conversion therapy and will do everything in his power to make LGBT people's lives hell.

I don't know what to tell you except that I'm so sorry it's come to this and I hope you and all your friends and loved ones weather the storm.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#153212: Nov 10th 2016 at 9:01:55 AM

At this point I really think the US should have gotten rid of the electoral college after Bush or at least made a rule that in case the electoral college and the majority vote conflict with each other the election should move to a second turn until both are on the same candidate.

Inter arma enim silent leges
Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#153213: Nov 10th 2016 at 9:02:11 AM

And if Pence is really the one running things, well, that's still not as bad as Trump.

Pence is a racist, misogynistic, queerphobic theocrat. He scares me more than Trump does. Trump is a symbol, but he's evil and incompetent. Pence is less visible, but he's evil and COMPETENT (ish. Moreso than Trump anyway).

"We're home, Chewie."
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#153214: Nov 10th 2016 at 9:04:07 AM

[up]Except he actually knows how to govern.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#153215: Nov 10th 2016 at 9:05:07 AM

Yeah. That's WHY he's scarier. He could actually get shit DONE.

"We're home, Chewie."
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#153216: Nov 10th 2016 at 9:05:30 AM

Some people looking at the US now be like

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/hamilton1732r_r.jpg

edited 10th Nov '16 9:06:19 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#153217: Nov 10th 2016 at 9:06:00 AM

@Red Rob, yeah, a big stretch of the national forest and gorge around here by WCU is cinders now. WCU itself isn't in range at the moment but small communities around the area are being warned to be ready for evacuation.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#153218: Nov 10th 2016 at 9:06:06 AM

[up]x4 And also keep the country afloat. Again, he may damn the country socially, but he's actually something we can recover from.

edited 10th Nov '16 9:06:41 AM by kkhohoho

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153219: Nov 10th 2016 at 9:06:12 AM

Separate question: what's the GOP gameplan for 2018/2020?

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#153220: Nov 10th 2016 at 9:07:29 AM

"I hope all of you forget we can sink this country even further"

Inter arma enim silent leges
Izeinsummer Since: Jun, 2013
#153221: Nov 10th 2016 at 9:08:47 AM

... Re: LGBT rights and weathering the storm.

.. Fuck that noise. If you're honestly anticipating this level of persecution, get out. Canada, EU, New Zeeland. Do it before the Trump burns down all the easy visa regimes.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#153222: Nov 10th 2016 at 9:09:42 AM

In the long run, sure. We could recover. But Pence can do a ton of things that KILL PEOPLE. He supports conversion therapy that more often than not cause children to kill themselves. I don't care whether we can RECOVER, I care about the actual EFFECTS.

"We're home, Chewie."
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153223: Nov 10th 2016 at 9:11:06 AM

.. Fuck that noise. If you're honestly anticipating this level of persecution, get out. Canada, EU, New Zeeland. Do it before the Trump burns down all the easy visa regimes.

Sure, but not everybody has that option.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#153224: Nov 10th 2016 at 9:15:37 AM

BuzzFeed has a preliminary list of Trump cabinet picks

Ben Carson as Secretary of Education?

Palin as Sec. of inferior?

John Bolton as Secretary of State???????

Fuuuuuuuuu

New Survey coming this weekend!
InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#153225: Nov 10th 2016 at 9:16:36 AM

Trump is EASILY the lesser evil between him and Pence as far as LGBT issues go. Trump straight up, from what I can tell, does not give a shit, at least not enough of a shit to actively go after gay marriage. Pence... would. Absolutely. Either way, they'll have to fight like hell to repeal gay marriage, and I suspect that it'll just be easier to make life way harder on the LGBT community than actually do things like repeal gay marriage or god forbid make homosexuality illegal, even if that's what they wanted to do.

Roe v. Wade is another major target that I suspect they'll just go halfway on. Probably defund Planned Parenthood, support abstinence-only education, and look the other way when birth and poverty rates in rural communities skyrocket. Again, too much effort for too little reward when the base will be satisfied by half-measures at this point.

I'd also like to see how anyone plans to somehow erase the alt-right community from the political process. They exist, folks. Get over it. We need to start finding ways to work around them.


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