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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Okay, so it's more about "we disapprove of you, Trump" than "we feel robbed! We want Hillary installed instead!" Fair enough.
That said, my concern is this will only fuel Trump's "WE NEED LAW AND ORDER" stance. I fear we're gonna see tanks in the streets on a regular basis during his tenure, even when no protests are taking place.
Democracy is not about one side winning and everyone else shrugging with the shoulders saying "okay, you run the show now". It is about allowing different opinions existing beside each other, and finding a balance between them. The protest might be a little bit premature because so far, he hasn't actually done anything to protest against, but you can't blame the participants from wanting to make clear that they won't take it lying down should Trump trample over their constitutional rights.
That does not work when the republicans have complete control over the government, it ain't negotiating time they literally have all the power.
And so many people are going to die specifically because of that, including probably me if ACA is repealed and I will not find anything else because of 'preexisting conditions' .
edited 10th Nov '16 7:50:41 AM by Memers
Since the racists elements of the Trump supporters are already rising and becoming more overt, the protests is a clear indication that at least the other half of the country who didn't support the Benito Cheeto is going to put up with their bullshit or be submissive to their will like they hoped to.
Save the controversial issues, Obama had a pretty good track record when it comes to keeping his promises.
Trump on the other hand made several unconstitutional, unfeasible and unenforceable campaign promises. Bring jobs back to the coal and rust belt? Build a wall and make Mexico pay for it? Kick out the illegal immigrants? Bar Muslims from entry and make them wear something to recognize them as such? Defund the government except the military to pay all the debt? Put protectionist barriers against the Asian markets?
Good luck with that, not only most of those are unconstitutional but implementing them would drive the American economy into a recession that would make the 2008 sub prime crisis look like a minor setback.
Trump railed his followers on stupidity and empty promises he can't keep and I really hope he burns for that.
Inter arma enim silent legesAssuming the Trump supporters are being truthful about feeling ignored and think his bigotry is an act then there's still hope. We just need a candidate that stresses plans that will help the middle class and take on Wall Street. Trump will undoubtedly fail to improve things which will make that job easier. Bernie might have been able to do it but I think he had his chance. We need someone new. Warren is the obvious pick in my mind but I think we should welcome any lower profile dems that want to take a shot at it.
x3 As will we, as in all of us who live in the US and around the world. Perhaps to differing extremes, but we will as well. This may not necessarily be "cutting the nose to spite the face" because this is more substantive than just spite, but if this is the path then we must be ready to step in and help each other.
Seconded. I do still have some faith in Roberts in at least knocking down blatantly unconstitutional measures as I (to this point) do at least find him consistent in his arguments (I have to admit, I did share in the caution he wrote in his minority opinion of Obergefell even as I prefer the SC outcome regarding how bypassing the legislative process did seem to rob the idea of gay marriage itself of the opportunity for popular mandate).
edited 10th Nov '16 7:58:05 AM by megarockman
The damned queen and the relentless knight.Nothing wrong with expressing your disagreement with whatever, and protests are one such means of expression.
Man, this thread moves fast.
edited 10th Nov '16 7:53:58 AM by Stormtroper
And that's how I ended up in the wardrobe. It Just Bugs Me!
x5 You say that, but losing the Rust Belt is what lost Clinton this election.
It's unfortunate that people want to cling to dying jobs, but that's the reality.
But if it makes you feel any better, most persons under the age of 30 voted for Clinton, so there's that as well.
edited 10th Nov '16 7:54:35 AM by hardcorefakes
The problem really is even if Trump does a last minute twist and doesn't follow through in any of his crypto-fascism, the fact he got elected based primarily on that crypto-fascism is still terrifying. It means that half of the nation either don't care or actively support that crypto-fascism. And someone who actually does hold those views might one day come into power, because half of the country would vote for him.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Then that is the long-term task of our generation - to convince the American public at large, no matter where they live, that racism and other forms of bigotry are not something to be accepted. The long-term demographics favor this - it is the bridging from now to then that will be the biggest part, I think.
edited 10th Nov '16 8:00:58 AM by megarockman
The damned queen and the relentless knight.From what I've been reading, I think it's less that they thought his bigotry was an act and more that they didn't really care either way because they were in an existential crisis about their future, so they were desperate. The midwestern voters who aren't doing so bad now but don't believe they have a future, and the rural voters who are doing even worse.
Since Trump isn't going to deliver it's plausible that someone with a broader appeal than Trump with sensible plans to make things better for them might win them over.
edited 10th Nov '16 8:05:06 AM by Draghinazzo
Yeah, it is actually not Trump himself I am terrified about...it is that he was able to flaunt utter disregard for the law as well as common decency and not only got away with it, but actually got rewarded for it, because so many people didn't care as long as they could express their hatred. The lack of reason in this election (and the Brexit campaign) is what gets to me.
It's unfortunate that people want to cling to dying jobs, but that's the reality.
But if it makes you feel any better, most persons under the age of 30 voted for Clinton, so there's that as well.
It also makes harder to reach them when they convinced themselves that the woman in blue is the devil.
You can't really fix the Rural and Rust belt without changing the the people who live there to begin with. They want their cake and eat it too.
Like it or not, they have consistently supported politicians that will make their lives harder, specially the no health care, no social security and public support politicians. They want to have the same jobs as before and still be self reliant but those jobs don't exist anymore and the few that still exist aren't enough to support them.
They want to keep their life style even though it was that said life style that helped to get them where they are right now. They don't want to move to cities and risk living with minorities or groups outside theirs, they fostered anti-intellectualism and closed knit religious mentality when the opportunities moved metropolitan areas that require technical and higher levels of education that puts them directly with views, faiths and groups different from theirs.
They are clinging to a dying life style that won't come back no matter how many politicians like Trump make promises that it will and they are dragging everyone else to the sinkhole they let themselves in by voting for people who will not only make them but everyone else even more miserable.
edited 10th Nov '16 8:24:18 AM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent legesWhile its impossible to say that the 3rd party candidates got Trump elected (their supporters could have stayed home, and plenty of Johnson's supporters might have gone for Trump), they could have hypothetically made up the difference in key states.
Either way, I feel nothing for the suffering that their supporters are about to endure. They were willing to sacrifice their human rights, and now they can learn to live without them. Its only a shame that they had to take about half of their countrymen and the rest of humanity with them.
How principled.
edited 10th Nov '16 8:31:29 AM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

Supreme Court will get gutted. Pray for Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Breyer. If they go down in the next 4 years, the court will go 7-2 and be irredeemable until 2050, and there goes the progressive cause, constantly shot down from the top.
That's the disaster behind all of this.