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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#153151: Nov 10th 2016 at 7:40:29 AM

Supreme Court will get gutted. Pray for Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Breyer. If they go down in the next 4 years, the court will go 7-2 and be irredeemable until 2050, and there goes the progressive cause, constantly shot down from the top.

That's the disaster behind all of this.

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#153152: Nov 10th 2016 at 7:41:08 AM

Anti-Trump protests: It's more a very public demonstration that the protestors do not agree with his policies. Hopefully that energy gets transferred into intersectional movements to resist the GOP's encroachment on civil rights as soon as possible.
I also know a lot of people who had more hope than they had Wednesday morning. They know they're not going to have to do this by themselves.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153153: Nov 10th 2016 at 7:42:22 AM

Important to remember: HILLARY WON THE POPULAR VOTE. While the fact that half of America voted for Trump says a lot, half of America DID NOT vote for him. And if it was someone else besides Hillary he would have likely lost. We have to take solace in that.

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#153154: Nov 10th 2016 at 7:44:35 AM

Okay, so it's more about "we disapprove of you, Trump" than "we feel robbed! We want Hillary installed instead!" Fair enough.

That said, my concern is this will only fuel Trump's "WE NEED LAW AND ORDER" stance. I fear we're gonna see tanks in the streets on a regular basis during his tenure, even when no protests are taking place.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#153155: Nov 10th 2016 at 7:44:39 AM

[up][up]And we should also take solace that in the likely event Trump doesn't go through with all of his policies, then at least part of the population who did vote for him may find themselves regretting their decision.

edited 10th Nov '16 7:44:52 AM by kkhohoho

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#153156: Nov 10th 2016 at 7:44:56 AM

Democracy is not about one side winning and everyone else shrugging with the shoulders saying "okay, you run the show now". It is about allowing different opinions existing beside each other, and finding a balance between them. The protest might be a little bit premature because so far, he hasn't actually done anything to protest against, but you can't blame the participants from wanting to make clear that they won't take it lying down should Trump trample over their constitutional rights.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#153157: Nov 10th 2016 at 7:46:56 AM

[up] That does not work when the republicans have complete control over the government, it ain't negotiating time they literally have all the power.

And so many people are going to die specifically because of that, including probably me if ACA is repealed and I will not find anything else because of 'preexisting conditions' .

edited 10th Nov '16 7:50:41 AM by Memers

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#153158: Nov 10th 2016 at 7:49:42 AM

Since the racists elements of the Trump supporters are already rising and becoming more overt, the protests is a clear indication that at least the other half of the country who didn't support the Benito Cheeto is going to put up with their bullshit or be submissive to their will like they hoped to.

I think it's rare for a leader to go through with all of his promises. It might be easier for Trump to get things done since the Reps control the entire government atm, but not everything he's promised is really all that feasible to do.

Save the controversial issues, Obama had a pretty good track record when it comes to keeping his promises.

Trump on the other hand made several unconstitutional, unfeasible and unenforceable campaign promises. Bring jobs back to the coal and rust belt? Build a wall and make Mexico pay for it? Kick out the illegal immigrants? Bar Muslims from entry and make them wear something to recognize them as such? Defund the government except the military to pay all the debt? Put protectionist barriers against the Asian markets?

Good luck with that, not only most of those are unconstitutional but implementing them would drive the American economy into a recession that would make the 2008 sub prime crisis look like a minor setback.

Trump railed his followers on stupidity and empty promises he can't keep and I really hope he burns for that.

Inter arma enim silent leges
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#153159: Nov 10th 2016 at 7:50:21 AM

Assuming the Trump supporters are being truthful about feeling ignored and think his bigotry is an act then there's still hope. We just need a candidate that stresses plans that will help the middle class and take on Wall Street. Trump will undoubtedly fail to improve things which will make that job easier. Bernie might have been able to do it but I think he had his chance. We need someone new. Warren is the obvious pick in my mind but I think we should welcome any lower profile dems that want to take a shot at it.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#153160: Nov 10th 2016 at 7:52:51 AM

Whether they're conservatives or not, the Supreme Court's job is to make sure the laws are constitutional.

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153161: Nov 10th 2016 at 7:53:31 AM

[up]x3 As will we, as in all of us who live in the US and around the world. Perhaps to differing extremes, but we will as well. This may not necessarily be "cutting the nose to spite the face" because this is more substantive than just spite, but if this is the path then we must be ready to step in and help each other.

[up]Seconded. I do still have some faith in Roberts in at least knocking down blatantly unconstitutional measures as I (to this point) do at least find him consistent in his arguments (I have to admit, I did share in the caution he wrote in his minority opinion of Obergefell even as I prefer the SC outcome regarding how bypassing the legislative process did seem to rob the idea of gay marriage itself of the opportunity for popular mandate).

edited 10th Nov '16 7:58:05 AM by megarockman

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
Stormtroper from Little Venice Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
#153162: Nov 10th 2016 at 7:53:37 AM

Nothing wrong with expressing your disagreement with whatever, and protests are one such means of expression.

Man, this thread moves fast.

edited 10th Nov '16 7:53:58 AM by Stormtroper

And that's how I ended up in the wardrobe. It Just Bugs Me!
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#153163: Nov 10th 2016 at 7:54:13 AM

[up]x5 You say that, but losing the Rust Belt is what lost Clinton this election.

It's unfortunate that people want to cling to dying jobs, but that's the reality.

But if it makes you feel any better, most persons under the age of 30 voted for Clinton, so there's that as well.

edited 10th Nov '16 7:54:35 AM by hardcorefakes

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#153164: Nov 10th 2016 at 7:56:10 AM

The problem really is even if Trump does a last minute twist and doesn't follow through in any of his crypto-fascism, the fact he got elected based primarily on that crypto-fascism is still terrifying. It means that half of the nation either don't care or actively support that crypto-fascism. And someone who actually does hold those views might one day come into power, because half of the country would vote for him.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153165: Nov 10th 2016 at 7:59:53 AM

[up]Then that is the long-term task of our generation - to convince the American public at large, no matter where they live, that racism and other forms of bigotry are not something to be accepted. The long-term demographics favor this - it is the bridging from now to then that will be the biggest part, I think.

edited 10th Nov '16 8:00:58 AM by megarockman

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153166: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:03:14 AM

Assuming the Trump supporters are being truthful about feeling ignored and think his bigotry is an act then there's still hope. We just need a candidate that stresses plans that will help the middle class and take on Wall Street. Trump will undoubtedly fail to improve things which will make that job easier. Bernie might have been able to do it but I think he had his chance. We need someone new. Warren is the obvious pick in my mind but I think we should welcome any lower profile dems that want to take a shot at it.

From what I've been reading, I think it's less that they thought his bigotry was an act and more that they didn't really care either way because they were in an existential crisis about their future, so they were desperate. The midwestern voters who aren't doing so bad now but don't believe they have a future, and the rural voters who are doing even worse.

Since Trump isn't going to deliver it's plausible that someone with a broader appeal than Trump with sensible plans to make things better for them might win them over.

edited 10th Nov '16 8:05:06 AM by Draghinazzo

FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153168: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:05:23 AM

It's not just having sensible plans, I think - they also must be conveyed and explained to them in a way more substantive and more mentally acceptable beyond just something that looks like it got cooked up in the ivory tower.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#153169: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:07:25 AM

[up][up] -sigh- The water is wet.

For all it's worth, I do hope for America's sake that it won't be as bad as everybody is (understandably) expecting.

edited 10th Nov '16 8:07:40 AM by FergardStratoavis

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#153170: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:10:13 AM

Yeah, it is actually not Trump himself I am terrified about...it is that he was able to flaunt utter disregard for the law as well as common decency and not only got away with it, but actually got rewarded for it, because so many people didn't care as long as they could express their hatred. The lack of reason in this election (and the Brexit campaign) is what gets to me.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#153171: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:17:11 AM

You say that, but losing the Rust Belt is what lost Clinton this election.

It's unfortunate that people want to cling to dying jobs, but that's the reality.

But if it makes you feel any better, most persons under the age of 30 voted for Clinton, so there's that as well.

It also makes harder to reach them when they convinced themselves that the woman in blue is the devil.

You can't really fix the Rural and Rust belt without changing the the people who live there to begin with. They want their cake and eat it too.

Like it or not, they have consistently supported politicians that will make their lives harder, specially the no health care, no social security and public support politicians. They want to have the same jobs as before and still be self reliant but those jobs don't exist anymore and the few that still exist aren't enough to support them.

They want to keep their life style even though it was that said life style that helped to get them where they are right now. They don't want to move to cities and risk living with minorities or groups outside theirs, they fostered anti-intellectualism and closed knit religious mentality when the opportunities moved metropolitan areas that require technical and higher levels of education that puts them directly with views, faiths and groups different from theirs.

They are clinging to a dying life style that won't come back no matter how many politicians like Trump make promises that it will and they are dragging everyone else to the sinkhole they let themselves in by voting for people who will not only make them but everyone else even more miserable.

edited 10th Nov '16 8:24:18 AM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#153172: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:22:30 AM

Well, I guess they can have a "simple life" if they really want in which they farm for their own needs - but then they have to accept that this is a life of relative poverty and hard work.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#153173: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:26:38 AM

Yeah, that baffles me the most.

They complain about living in abject poverty.....but then want to also live a life of abject poverty.

These are the same people who will fight tooth and nail against electricity for coal, despite the newer technologies that could make their lives considerably better.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#153174: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:28:00 AM

Nostalgia and Nationalism. A potent combination.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#153175: Nov 10th 2016 at 8:28:57 AM

While its impossible to say that the 3rd party candidates got Trump elected (their supporters could have stayed home, and plenty of Johnson's supporters might have gone for Trump), they could have hypothetically made up the difference in key states.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/politics/gary-johnson-jill-stein-spoiler/index.html?sr=fbpol111016gary-johnson-jill-stein-spoiler0147PMVODtopLink&linkId=31006017

Either way, I feel nothing for the suffering that their supporters are about to endure. They were willing to sacrifice their human rights, and now they can learn to live without them. Its only a shame that they had to take about half of their countrymen and the rest of humanity with them.

How principled.

edited 10th Nov '16 8:31:29 AM by Rationalinsanity

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