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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I do think Biden was probably the best bet of a Democrat victory. It's such a shame his son passed away right at this moment, which left him too traumatized to run.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."The Atlantic has some reader responses to the economics vs. racism argument from earlier,
and this article raises a very salient point:
An anthropology professor I had once made this very clear: Culture-ism is the "new" racism.
edited 9th Nov '16 8:38:02 PM by Eschaton
Trump treated women like meat his entire campaign. Romney was somewhere between vaguely neutral and vaguely nice to women during his campaign. Trump got more female support than Romney.
Feminism is ...
Secretely unpopular but very noisy? Dead? Hated as much as the rest of the social justice movement? Useless at uniting women? Doing fine, Hillary Clinton was just the worst candidate in history and that obscured everything?
I honestly have no idea.
edited 9th Nov '16 8:45:08 PM by garridob
Great men are almost never good men, they say. One wonders what philosopher of the good would value the impotence of his disciples.A lot of older Asian-Americans probably voted for Trump. They tend to hold a lot of conservative ideas about being self-made and self-sufficient (it's not just a joke that Asian parents pressure their kids to get straight A's and become doctors) and, to be frank, are just as racist towards other minorities as white people can be.
Source: My family.
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I mentioned that earlier myself.
I think that this election shows that our social activism has a big problem: taking it for granted that most minority people know how bad they have it. Obviously many of them don't, or care enough about other things that they're willing to let it slide. This will have to an enormous concern going forward.
About the movement as a whole, I'm not a woman so my opinion should be taken with a grain of salt, but I'm pretty sure feminism was very slowly gaining traction, among liberals and artists especially, but still had a very long ways to go. It's not dead but has taken an enormous blow that will likely take a long time to recover from.
edited 9th Nov '16 8:51:10 PM by Draghinazzo
Well of course, they live in one of the most homogenous areas of the world to the point where they called anyone that didn't look like them "foreign devils." I'm not surprised, to be honest.
Anyway, to my great-unsurprise people are still attacking the Obamas because they're renting a nice house that's still in the DC area to live in once January rolls around.
I swear, the sheer number of people wanting him in Gitmo for some reason and other sorts of garbage makes me sick.
edited 9th Nov '16 8:51:34 PM by theLibrarian
There's a lot of evidence that "white" just means "made it" in America. Since Asian Americans are generally successful, they probably identify more with the "white" label than others.
The Asians I know living in Asia certainly identify much more with whites than blacks or hispanics.
Great men are almost never good men, they say. One wonders what philosopher of the good would value the impotence of his disciples.Re: Trump and women
A major aspect about Pussygate is that it seemed to drastically affect the positions of younger women who were adolescents starting in The '80s.
Meanwhile, older women seemed to possess major Values Dissonance regarding what was considered male banter and cat-calling. Last week I overhead an elderly sixty-looking lady remarking how the Billy Bush tape was only, "an old crone just trying to show off his golden years to a younger man."
edited 9th Nov '16 8:50:03 PM by FluffyMcChicken
Also, I'm not an expert but I already mentioned that yes, Clinton specifically being the candidate probably resulted in a lower turnout than we might have had otherwise since a lot of people found it extremely difficult to muster up enthusiasm for her. She barely got 50% of the white woman vote, let that sink in for a moment.
And even with that most reports are saying she won the popular vote if just barely, so imagine how much better that might have been with a candidate that wasn't as deeply unpopular.
edited 9th Nov '16 8:54:13 PM by Draghinazzo
Thirding the fact that a lot of older Asian-Americans have SO MUCH Internalized Categorism and also glorify white/Caucasian society. Apparently Filipino-Americans were the main subgroup who voted for Trump.
It crushed my heart just when I was starting to re-inflate it with anger, but it didn't really surprise me.
There's also the amount of crazy old folks who remember the Communist years in China and are convinced the Democrats want to make that happen in the US too. My Russian coworkers are all Trumpists too, and they also say it's because they're convinced Hillary is going to be the next Stalin, though I wonder if lingering nationalism and Putin love has anything to do with it among some of the younger ones.
I think of the major reasons why Democrats failed to capture moderates outside of their own loyal party members is that they tried to defeat nationalism with their own personal brand of nationalism.
This is a mistake, because nobody can out-nationalist the modern GOP.
edited 9th Nov '16 9:22:16 PM by Zennistrad
At this point, I think people would rather accept the reason Trump won being that Weird Al somehow opened up a Hell Gate with the power of B minor.

edited 9th Nov '16 8:30:08 PM by CaptainCapsase