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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#152951: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:44:01 PM

[up][up][up][up] Yeah, though it was different earlier in the 20th century, even a surprisingly large number of die hard racists are willing to say Europeans and East Asians are approximately equal. I can only wonder if that has to do with the relative power of Europe and Asia today compared to the 19th century.

edited 9th Nov '16 7:46:09 PM by CaptainCapsase

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#152952: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:45:59 PM

I think a big part of it is that asians aren't typically stereotyped as criminals or terrorists in the public eye, which means there's less fearmongering possibilities. There are plenty of rotten stereotypes about them but people don't tend to feel unsafe around them, if that makes sense.

edited 9th Nov '16 7:48:41 PM by Draghinazzo

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#152953: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:46:48 PM

[up] Oh I know about that from experience.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#152954: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:47:17 PM

Not to mention a number of racists actually enjoy their media and food (Which makes the racists hypocrites).

edited 9th Nov '16 7:51:05 PM by Bat178

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#152955: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:51:17 PM

[up] Well, not if they don't consider east Asians inferior to Europeans, and a surprising number of these people seem to think that's the case (a fair number of them in east Asia). Someone who is bigoted against one particular ethnic group isn't necessarily bigoted against all other ethnic groups.

edited 9th Nov '16 7:52:52 PM by CaptainCapsase

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#152956: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:56:07 PM

We're the model minority. We meekly accept our place within their system, work our asses off to benefit them, don't try to rob them or take their women.

edited 9th Nov '16 7:57:07 PM by nightwyrm_zero

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#152957: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:59:34 PM

Also a lot of this racism is reactionary in nature, relative to institutions that have previously existed in the US. Chiefly, slavery and I guess in the case of latinos there's more of an old-fashioned xenophobia at play what with Mexico being right across the border. Islamaphobia has also been a thing for a long time but 9/11 has taken it to another level, so that's one more.

Compared to that asians are small potatoes. They're not seen as particularly threatening, except for the chinese because "taking jobs, etc."

edited 9th Nov '16 8:03:25 PM by Draghinazzo

Shippudentimes Since: Dec, 2012
#152958: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:03:08 PM

Footage of anti-Trump protests near Trump Tower in NYC. Apparently there's been flag-burnings and massive beatings of a Donald Trump pinata that lost its leg within seconds, according to the written article.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#152959: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:03:58 PM

[up][up][up] I mean, that last part does really apply to my grandfather. tongue

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#152960: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:04:04 PM

"It's also not something that would happen in New York city, or any part of southern NY. My state was among the ones Clinton won decisively, if that means anything."

That's exactly the wrong attitude. There are black shirts everywhere.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#152961: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:05:55 PM

Yeah this election has proved we can't take ANYTHING for granted and I do mean anything.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#152962: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:06:00 PM

[up][up] They'd very likely get their asses kicked for doing that in large parts of NYC and the NYC inner suburbs, trust me. Case in point being all the ire Trump has gotten from his home state. Which incidentally have included flag burnings.

edited 9th Nov '16 8:11:57 PM by CaptainCapsase

FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare
#152963: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:07:05 PM

I must additionally mention that a large number of the self-declared Trump supporters at my college - who are predominantly white and male with the exception of about two female students - actually have studied in or visited East Asian countries (namely Japan and China) before. Three of them even expressed genuine personal interest in Japanese culture and history, and have learned enough Japanese to the point of being able to hold a basic conversation with foreign exchange students.

Some general overtones I've noticed them bringing up in unrelated non-political discussions is a sense of respect and admiration for the East Asian cultural emphasis on stability, order, and collectivism. They seem to unconsciously subscribe to the idea that "Asian people are better at getting shit done because they don't squabble over little individual things like Westerners do." They often point to Japan's speedy transformation from medieval isolationist state to an industrial oceanic empire capable of waging war with the US as an example.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#152964: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:08:48 PM

[up] Even though Japan don't even have a actual military to invade the US with. They did control the automobile and video game industries worldwide for a long time, though.

edited 9th Nov '16 8:09:38 PM by Bat178

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#152965: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:09:35 PM

Two of the world's three largest (China and Japan, with the other being the US) economies are in east Asia.

[up] Japan has a reasonably sized military, it's just not called a military and officially they aren't allowed to use it preemptively. They're talking about changing that though.

edited 9th Nov '16 8:12:40 PM by CaptainCapsase

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#152966: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:15:54 PM

@ pwiegle

I don't think Asians are viewed as a threat, except for the ones over in China taking our jobs due to trade imbalance. It's the rapist/drug-dealing Mexicans, the terrorist Muslims, and the Where Da White Women At? blacks that they're gunning for...

What about Filipinos? Will they be threatened too?

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#152967: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:16:38 PM

[up] Duterte likes Trump, so I don't think so.

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#152968: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:18:09 PM

Some general overtones I've noticed them bringing up in unrelated non-political discussions is a sense of respect and admiration for the East Asian cultural emphasis on stability, order, and collectivism. They seem to unconsciously subscribe to the idea that "Asian people are better at getting shit done because they don't squabble over little individual things like Westerners do."
However, push some of them enough and I'd bet they'd point out how Japan doesn't have any blacks or muslims to muck everything up.

There's a distinct fascination with ethnic homogeneity and how that plays into the "cultural emphasis on stability, order, and collectivism." And it's how white nationalists say they're technically not white "supremacists," because hey man those asians are doing something right.

And that's not even getting into the whole altright/anime crossover appeal nonsense.

edited 9th Nov '16 8:19:59 PM by Eschaton

rfindlay from Boston Since: Dec, 2014
#152969: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:19:45 PM

[up][up][up][up] Ah, Cap, good to see you back. I've missed your insights in this thread.

Now if only it were under better circumstances...

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#152970: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:22:22 PM

I know you already mentioned it Capsase, but you were right. I'm beginning to fear that you might also be right about the other things Trump could end up doing as well, since the floodgates don't exist anymore.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#152971: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:23:44 PM

Here [1] is an interesting article from Five Thirty Eight about why the polls missed Trump's victory.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#152972: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:24:30 PM

[up][up][up][up] Not to mention the alt-right are buddies with the Russians, who are technically Asian.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#152973: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:25:19 PM

So what I'm getting from you, Indirect, is that you buy into the bullshit about professors espousing their viewpoints as "indoctrinating" students without even understanding what indoctrination is. I mean seriously, if you think that's what professors are doing then they're doing an incredibly bad job given the weird bullshit I hear a lot of college age kids spout. Also, I'm not even sure how any president has any direct affect on that, or how they afford those kinds of opportunities to colleges? Like, there is no direct connection there and you certainly aren't making it clearly. Also, again., PENCE. Pence, who is likely to do much of the actual policy making, is a highly religious fellow. With that as at least part of the power in the White House, you are failing to convince me that Trump somehow affords the opportunity to increase the separation of Church and State anymore than it already is.

I mean seriously, you are operating on some crazy moon logic on this issue all the way through.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#152974: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:28:05 PM

Reading that 538 article also brings something to mind: we already knew a lot of people disliked Hillary, but I guess we underestimated just how many. I'm wondering if we would have had a better democratic turnout with a different candidate. Not necessarily Sanders but someone else perhaps?

(Also, no, I'm not blaming Clinton).

edited 9th Nov '16 8:28:21 PM by Draghinazzo

Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#152975: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:29:34 PM

We certainly would have had a better turnout with Sanders.

That's right, boys. Mondo cool.

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