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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#152901: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:38:47 PM

[up][up] My own prediction would be Trump going back and forth between docile puppet alarmingly heavy handed on a semi-regular basis depending on whether he's actually interested in doing his job.

[up] After what's happened this election, I'm legitimately not sure whether Trump is as dumb as people thought. Impulsive sure, and deeply cynical (justifiably so unfortunately) about his fellow Americans, but intelligent in his own way.

edited 9th Nov '16 6:40:34 PM by CaptainCapsase

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#152902: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:39:13 PM

If he IS operating under Obfuscating Stupidity, I will give him this: it's an extremely convincing facade. He may have realized on some level that he could tap into white resentment and political apathy, but I'm not sure that it's much beyond that.

And no I don't expect him to play puppet the entire time, just most of it.

[up] Or this.

edited 9th Nov '16 6:39:57 PM by Draghinazzo

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#152903: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:41:23 PM

I expect his handlers to give him 'safe' outlets for his craziness, state dinners and visits will get cancled randomly because Trump got annoyed but the actual critical parts of statecraft will be kept away from him.

I hope...

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#152904: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:42:04 PM

I want to say this is likely but then I just realized he had all the bad PR you could want during the campaign and he still got elected.

Actually being convicted, if that happens, is at least somewhat likely to get him impeached or pressured to resign.

The more likely path to unseating him is that he'll repeal the ACA, then those rural voters will wonder why their premiums aren't going down.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#152905: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:42:38 PM

[up][up]I think chances are good. Not as high as they should be, but good. I would be surprised if most of his cabinet actually wants him to govern. He's not exactly a very likable fellow.

edited 9th Nov '16 6:43:03 PM by Draghinazzo

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#152906: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:45:15 PM

@Silas: He's more or less going to let the CIA run wild though. That could get ugly in Latin America and the Middle East.

Beyond that, being from Southern New York, I actually know several people with personal anecdotes about Trump's businesses and occasionally about the man himself, and I've gotten the distinct impression that he is not the sort of person to let other people make decisions for him, even if he'll make other people do most of the work.

edited 9th Nov '16 6:48:07 PM by CaptainCapsase

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#152907: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:46:00 PM

That is exactly what I am afraid with Trump.

We will only know what kind of things we'll do after he is done with them. We can't tell what is him trolling and what is him being serious, we can't tell what is him telling what people want to hear and what he believes.

He has a wildcard status and that understandably leaves people nervous.

Hell, I am nervous over the real possibility of the US entering in a deep recession and dragging everyone else, again, in it.

Inter arma enim silent leges
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#152908: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:48:11 PM

@Cap, actually the CIA might be the US' best hope to maintain a logical foreign policy under Trump. They won't let him muscle in on their turf and ruin long standing operations.

Crazy, but the CIA are the sane ones now. Its the FBI that I'm worried about.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#152909: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:48:58 PM

Eh, maybe it's just me but the CIA seems like they're pretty alright nowadays. It's the domestic stuff that scares me. NSA, FBI, the police, etc.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#152910: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:49:08 PM

I'm expecting the recession to come in full force. This has basically opened the floodgates.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#152911: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:50:45 PM

@Rational: Yes, but knowing the President wouldn't actually care about them staging coups, torturing people, assassinating journalists, and whatnot might change things.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#152912: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:52:02 PM

@Cap Oh the Middle East is fucked, we're probably going to see a war in Iran in a best case scenario, worst case Full Facism the US goes ahead and annex's Cuba and bombs the entire island so that it's rehspaed to look like Trump's hair.

edited 9th Nov '16 6:52:16 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#152913: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:52:27 PM

@Silas: He's more or less going to let the CIA run wild though. That could get ugly in Latin America and the Middle East.

What do you mean? I have to confess my knowledge of geopolitics isn't exactly very extensive, so I'm not sure what the implications of this are.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#152914: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:53:49 PM

Bloody coups, lots of bloody coups.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#152915: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:54:26 PM

[up][up] Remember all those times in the cold war when a Latin American country had its government overthrown by a coup backed by the CIA because they were talking with the Soviets?

Trump seems to think we can just go ahead and do that in Mexico if they don't pay for the wall.

edited 9th Nov '16 6:57:22 PM by CaptainCapsase

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#152916: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:55:44 PM

@Pykrete: Does he have an actual criminal case against him or is it a civil suit?

MysteryMan23 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#152917: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:56:58 PM

Well, it's been fun talking with you all, but I have to go now. I have this thing where I obsess over negative things in a way that only hurts my psyche, and it's looking like it might happen with this.

So, I'm going to take some time away from here to take care of my mental health. I won't be able to help this country much if I lose my mind, after all.

Anyways, good luck to you all! smile

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#152918: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:57:49 PM

The chance of a recession is legitimately scaring me. I'm due to graduate in a year or two, and despite what some people might think about the field it's actually really hard finding jobs for PhDs in the life sciences. The current lab working environment is a Ponzi scheme. Lots of prospective doctorates go in as grad students under a pitiful stipend that's heavily dependent on the state of the NIH, do hard labor for the head scientist who will get most of the credit for our discoveries, then when we graduate there's more of us than there are jobs for our skill levels. This has been a serious problem for the last 10 years at least.

Thankfully my area of research focus allows for some more lateral movement into industrial positions compared to some others but if Trump triggers a recession that might not be the case anymore. Combine that will my meatspace shyness and anxiety issues and prospects are potentially looking very gloomy and I'll essentially be wasting five to seven years of my life with little payoff.

[up][up][up] Yes, but that was the Cold War. Not to say we're completely in the clear but the state of geopolitics has changed dramatically since then.

edited 9th Nov '16 6:59:12 PM by AlleyOop

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#152919: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:58:56 PM

Remember all those times in the cold war when a Latin American country had its government overthrown by a coup backed by the CIA because they were talking with the Soviets?

It's funny that you mention that because the guy I think is most likely to win Brazil's 2018 election is basically just another Trump, except he's less buffoonish but no less of an open bigot. He's arguably said worse things than Trump has, including telling a woman that she wasn't even worth raping. I wish I wasn't serious. Oh and did I mention that he's an apologist for the very same kind of dictatorial regime backed by the CIA you were just mentioning?

So really we may not even need you guys' help to install another fascist regime down here. It's happening on its own.

edited 9th Nov '16 7:03:36 PM by Draghinazzo

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#152920: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:59:28 PM

Aside the border with Mexico, the US has been giving zero fucks over Latin America for the last 16 years. Otherwise we wouldn't get Rafael Correa, Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales. Also Venezuela is on the brink of a civil war and facing starvation and no one in the US govt seems to give a flying fuck about it.

On the other hand we're giving ourselves coups just fine without US intervention. It is the Middle East and the bomb and kill relatives of terrorists and don't give a fuck about collateral damage candidate that it has to be worried about.

Inter arma enim silent leges
randomdude4 Since: May, 2011
#152921: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:00:25 PM

edited 11th Dec '16 8:43:14 PM by randomdude4

"Can't make an omelette without breaking some children." -Bur
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#152922: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:02:28 PM

It was apparently a close race and the fact that people are protesting at all is a sign that not everyone is happy with this. It's still a mark of deep shame and a huge tragedy but we're not alone.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#152923: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:03:29 PM

There are protests in Chicago and Boston too. Still, like people have said, the cities went for Hillary - this isn't expressing anything the country didn't already know.

It's been fun.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#152924: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:03:35 PM

Moving on then, but speculating about what government agencies will and won't do under a President that couldn't give a fuck is a bit depressing...

@Silas: Given that Michael Flynn (aka RT's favorite American talkshow guest) might very well be appointed secretary of defense, I don't think Trump's Russia agenda is off the table even if he's content being a puppet.

edited 9th Nov '16 7:05:51 PM by CaptainCapsase

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#152925: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:10:07 PM

If Trump actually has the US military routinely murder prisoners or even their families, and they obey, that will cost the US military its protections under international law, won't it?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

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