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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Note that intolerance of actions or ideas is different than intolerance of people.
Yes, it's sometimes okay to kill someone you don't hate. In fact, I would say it's definitely always wrong to kill someone out of hate.
edited 9th Nov '16 3:29:43 PM by Bense
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)I'm pretty sure that CDRW and Bense's overall point, or at least the point they were making before they put their foot in their mouths, is that it's dumb to generalize all people who voted for Trump as being racist bigots.
Quite frankly, I agree. Call me an internalized racist if you want, but just because some people who supported Trump are, let's say for example Klansmen, that doesn't mean that everyone who voted for him is a Klansman or that they even support the KKK.
It's a classic Hitler Ate Sugar fallacy, much like saying that if a mass-murderer likes video games, that everyone who likes video games is a potential mass-murderer.
@Bense: That strikes me as an arbitrary distinction. Like, I would argue that killing people in general is bad, but Hitler is a case where what he's done is bad enough that it outweighs the evil done by killing him. And it similarly outweighs the evil done by hating him- for hate is ultimately a lesser crime than murder.
So why shouldn't we be allowed to Hitler?
No, it's not, CDRW. If people think I'm less because I'm a woman, then they don't deserve my respect. Now, they usually have it because I don't go around asking what people's political beliefs are, but in general, no, I'm not going to respect people who are going to support things like conversion camps, cutting funding to Parent Planning and then never EVER creating any other kind of local healthcare for poor communities, aiding and abetting the school to prison pipeline, and basically shitting all over mine and other's civil rights, no my intolerance of them is not somehow worse or hypocritical.
People are allowed to feel whatever they want, as far as I'm concerned. They become bad people when they do bad things. As frequently happens with bigots.
edited 9th Nov '16 3:30:54 PM by AceofSpades
Intolerance for its own sake, or for a purely self-serving reason, or based on flagrantly flawed reasoning, is bad. Example: Racism, which at its best is based on pseudoscience and/or overgeneralization ("some Muslim extremists committed terrorist acts, ergo all Muslims are terrorists regardless of whether or not they're extremists").
Intolerance based on sound reasoning and for the greater good is not bad. Example: Intolerance of criminal killing (that is, killing someone for no good reason) and those who promote/defend it.
edited 9th Nov '16 3:30:40 PM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.I don't necessarily think it's surprise that those people exist or a lack of understanding as to why they voted the way they did. They're desperate, and they felt ignored, so things turned out that way. It makes sense to me. We may not have expected the turnout but the results are what they are.
That's not really related to the fact that many Trump supporters are not in that situation or voted for him for those reasons. And the desperate people voting for Trump, despite their legitimate problems, were still wrong and were complicit in enabling something bad. That is about as simple as it gets.
I don't know why so many people are skirting around this and it's getting a little frustrating and too close to "BUT NOT ALL" for my liking.
edited 9th Nov '16 3:34:24 PM by Draghinazzo
Gah, my post was eaten by the simultaneous post bug.
As I was saying, something I found amusing is Kellyanne Conway (Trump's campaign manager) is the first woman to manage a successful presidential campaign. So, there's some kind of glass ceiling being broken here, despite it all.
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)We all know about those miserable little towns. But, as has been said many, many times, they vote against anything that would help them.
Example given: "the mines are done". We can't put coal back in the coal mine. That's not gonna happen. Even if coal wasn't killing the world (and it is) it's a finite resource. But these people vote against anyone who will put in job retraining. They vote against anyone who will expand welfare. They want the job they can't have back and that's it. And that's why their towns are dying.
edited 9th Nov '16 3:35:02 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Honestly, at this point i think the Dems' problem is that we don't hate the deplorables enough. We need to nail these people to the fucking wall and make their lives living hell 24/7, same tactics they use: endless social media harrassment, doxxing, swatting, whatever it takes.
The takeaway from the election is that taking the high road just gets you kicked in the sack. Get down in the mud and be sure to bring as many of the deplorables down with you as you can when you go.
It begins.
Senate's McConnell says Obamacare repeal high on agenda
Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch Mc Connell said repealing the Obamacare health insurance system is a "pretty high item on our agenda" for the new Congress that was elected on Tuesday, calling it the "single worst piece of legislation" from the first two years of the Obama administration.
Mc Connell told reporters he would like to see bipartisan comprehensive tax reform, and that border security should also be high on the to-do list. He expects president-elect Donald Trump to send the Senate a Supreme Court nominee soon, and to review environmental regulations put in place by Obama, including on coal.
Say good bye to your health and clean air America. Many smog filled regions will come.
May the Trumptes who voted for that to be the first to choke on it.
Inter arma enim silent legesHeard on Facebook Ron Perlman is attempting to run in the 2020 elections.
Probably way late considering how fast this thread is going.
"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."edited 9th Nov '16 3:43:27 PM by PotatoesRock

How many people got killed because they joined the KKK or the Neo-Nazis compared to how many people died because they were black and near a racist?
edited 9th Nov '16 3:30:33 PM by AngelusNox
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