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What really going to matter over the next few years is how Trump's supposed big plans for infrastructure will interact with Republicans who oppose that kind of spending, because it usually means taxes or deficit.
I think I heard somewhere that they could privatize the highway system, and I wouldn't put it past them.
edited 9th Nov '16 2:09:11 PM by Eschaton
The law in the night
From the Racism Thread.
Inter arma enim silent leges
A procrastination in of itself
X4 You appear to be having delusions and seeing posts that aren't here, I advise you seek psychological help.
On the subject of Dems for 2020, I'm looking at the governor of Louisiana if the Dems want to try and win the South or possible a new Governor who wins in 2018. From the North-East/North there's Booker, Warren, Nixon, the governor of New York, ect...
edited 9th Nov '16 2:11:47 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
I don't think Trump supporters are subhuman. Ignorant and oftentimes repulsive yes, but not really more than that. I don't know that anybody else does either, BUT again this is more about acknowledging racism and bigotry as problems and not about automatically condemning absolutely everyone forever.
Also, if I might be a bit more direct, while I understand that the rhetoric from some posters has not necessarily been what we need in terms of say, securing things going forward, you sound a bit tone deaf for comparing people disgusted with bigotry and ignorance to the people displaying bigotry and ignorance.
edited 9th Nov '16 2:12:39 PM by Draghinazzo
Mweheheh
The Guardian writer Zach Stafford reports that at least eight transgender youth have taken their lives after hearing about Trump's victory.
Peace is the only battle worth waging.
CDRW: So you're going to assume Trump, the guy with a long line of near constant offenses, is somehow less offensive than the one time you've come in here to see a whole bunch of disappointed people who are sincerely worried for their futures and the future of the country? That doesn't exactly show great character judgement on your part.
We wanted better for this country. And Trump's not it. And basically telling us we can't call out bigotry, or be angry about this, is not exactly helping the situation.
So I hate to say it but I think we were wrong about Sanders. Given the demographics that made Trump's win possible I think he might have managed to stop him.
Booker is an absolute no go. Going from what I saw on Colbert's Late Show, I do think he seems like a genuinely decent guy. However, he is a very standard politician and that shit just does not fly anymore. But it's worse than that.
He is the largest recipient of money from Wall Street in the Senate, if not Congress (I forget exactly). And if Trump's administration suffers from the massive hypocrisy of being deeply in bed with large financial interests, which it already is, that shit will not fly.
Couldn't the media have gotten anything on him? Fabricated any scandals? There doesn't seem to be a consensus among us as to whether he could have done it or not.
Not if he lost all the others. And not if Trump turned him into a Communist bogeyman.
edited 9th Nov '16 2:16:45 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Delicious in the Moomin Valley
@Kostya: So says that Imgur link I've provided last post.
I'm not sure how politically qualified Sanders is, but as a person he would appeal to many more people than Clinton did. This is what was critical in the election, hate as I admit to say it: emotions and irrationality.
Big Grah
A procrastination in of itself
Oh the press would have gone after Sanders, but there would have been a strong pull for him with the failing middle-class.
In the end a lot of things could have been done better to prevent this by the Dems. A candidate that embodied change instead of 4 more years, a stronger stimulus back in 2009, Obama focusing less on the TPP in the last few months and more making it clear that the Dems want to help rural America but aren't being allowed to...
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Lost all of what others? Clinton lost because she didn't appeal to enough middle class white people. That seems like a group Sanders could have courted. She also failed to get as much minority support as Obama which proves that Sanders downplaying racial concerns wouldn't have been a campaign ender like we though.
Even if Sanders might've won some of the crucial states he's also considered too "socialist" even for many blue states.
I'm still indignant at the idea that Sanders would've lost because he hadn't faced the brunt of the Republican machine. Because that's the whole point. He didn't have that baggage.
We had a candidate who did face it, and turned out to have a massive headstart, with her credibility already absolutely destroyed among a large portion of the population, even if much of it was for complete bullshit reasons.
If Sanders won the primary, I do believe he would have won the general.
But he didn't. And he is not faultless or blameless in that.
edited 9th Nov '16 2:26:04 PM by Eschaton
And Trump is a fascist. People overlooked that because he was a candidate that would upend the status quo for better or worse. Sanders represents that without the horrific nationalism.
Something else I just remembered, Trump is going to pull us out of the Paris deal. Can he do that without the approval of Congress?
Congress is controlled by Republicans and their platform includes climate change denial so it doesn't matter.
NOT THE BEES
I remember arguing much earlier in this thread that you guys were shooting yourselves in the foot blowing off Sanders as "not a serious candidate". For once, I'm not at all happy to be proven right.
edited 9th Nov '16 2:31:03 PM by Pykrete
Trump is SO anti-establishment, guys. Seriously!
Not even a day. So much for draining the fucking swamp.
edited 9th Nov '16 2:29:00 PM by NoName999
If it weren't for Russia, China and economics...turning the US into an international pariah would be pretty appealing.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
@CDRW: I do understand what you are saying, but it seems you're implying that people should vote for Trump based on Hillary's followers behavior, which is faulty logic (same thing for the other way around).
Well, at least you get the pleasure of having your preferred candidate on the White House.
edited 9th Nov '16 2:32:53 PM by Grafite
Life is unfair...
Destroyer of Worlds
Lot of lost enthusiasm between Obama's first election and this new one.
@ Draghinazzo: The content of the rhetoric doesn't matter, but the effect. Being disgusted with bigotry isn't evil, but the root cause of bigotry is hate and us vs. them mentality. That is exactly what the rhetoric in this thread is inspiring, hatred and a deepening of the us vs. them divide. Both sides hate the other because they're unwilling to listen to and address their grievances. So yes, the rhetoric here is bigoted. The words may be different but the flavor is the same.
Because remember folks—calling bigots bigots makes you as bad as the neofascist. This message brought to you by white entitlement.
Essentially if you're willing to support bigotry because you don't like our attitude, you've got issues. Volumes even.
edited 9th Nov '16 2:09:03 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar