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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#152426: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:05:33 PM

Wow, I never realized just how much it stung to go through a Hope Spot.

Disgusted, but not surprised
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#152427: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:07:07 PM

So to state what seems to me to be the obvious, but it's striking to me that everyone who goes in this thread telling the liberal posters here not to attack Trump voters for being racist seems to be pretty obviously racist themselves or at best indifferent to the rights of non-white people.
Or they could just be stating things as they are.

It's not like Hillary didn't have her share of relation problems. The crime bill, and the super predator comment followed her all throughout the debates. That and her prior opinion on being against gay rights being confirmed to still be where she stands in the emails.

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#152428: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:07:18 PM

Eschaton: At the very least, Pence is, and Trump plans to delegate everything to Pence.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#152429: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:07:41 PM

Racism was the #1 reason we lost, but I'd argue that False Equivalency from both the media AND voters is inarguably the #2 reason.

New Survey coming this weekend!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#152430: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:08:14 PM

Like, trying to search for the non-racists and redeemables among the Trump voters is one thing, but you'd have to be delusional to deny that nevertheless a large amount of his support came from people who were openly racist.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#152431: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:09:10 PM

And the superpredators crock comes up again. It was a pop psychology term from the time period people. St. Bernie called the same people sociopaths and wanted to ship radioactive waste to Latino towns that didn't want it. Not helping your case that Clinton was the problem.

Not to mention that there's a world of difference between anything Clinton's said or done and getting Steve Bannon to be your campaign chair.

Shippudentimes Since: Dec, 2012
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#152433: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:09:42 PM

I do wonder which way the Democratic realignment will go after this, it could either see a faltering-middle-class push to try and win back the Rust Belt that was lost this election or we could see a Democratic Southern strategy, where the Rural Southern vote is gone after. In the end Clinton did better in the South then Obama did.

I'd say that that argument will determine who runs in 2020, if it's the Rust Belt Strategy of a narrow win I can imagine us getting a north/north-eastern senator or governor. My throwing it out there list is, Booker (New Jersey senator), Dayton (Minnesota governor), Nixon (Missouri governor), Bullock (Montana governor), Cuomo (New York governor), Warren (Massachusetts senator). If the Dems go for a Democratic Southern Strategy my list is shorter, Hickenlooper (Colorado governor), Edwards (Louisiana governor) or someone new who takes a southern governorship in 2018 where a ton of term limited Republicans are standing down.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#152434: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:10:00 PM

[up][up][up]I'm not holding the comment against her. I'm just saying that some people probably still did.

I mean, it's a fact she didn't garner the same support from black and latino voters, that Obama did.

edited 9th Nov '16 12:10:45 PM by xanderiskander

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#152435: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:10:08 PM

@Alley Oop- Yes. I mean for the record, I don't agree with Clinton's "deplorables" comment.

But if you are coming here and stating that the Democrats problem is for calling out racists and view Obama as some kind of white-hating Angry Black Man then yeah, guess what, you are racist.

edited 9th Nov '16 12:10:48 PM by Hodor2

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#152436: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:10:39 PM

With Christie undergoing a trial right now, can he even be eligible for a Cabinet position? And oh jeez, how is that trial going to turn out now?

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#152437: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:11:49 PM

Lord Bridgegate isn't on trial. His two aides are.

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#152438: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:12:20 PM

Thanks folks who advocated throwing those of us who aren't white to the dogs to placate racist white people, I really appreciate it.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#152439: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:12:25 PM

But if you are coming here and stating that the Democrats problem is for calling out racists and view Obama as some kind of white-hating Angry Black Man then yeah, guess what, you are racist.

In a surprising show of empathy and self-reflection Glenn Beck said he used to view present Obama that way and he's since apologized and said that he regretted it. He also said Trump was unhinged and not somebody you should support.

I like to think there might be more Glenn Becks out there, somewhere. Not necessarily in the big celebrity sense, just people who surprise you with how they change.

edited 9th Nov '16 12:14:23 PM by Draghinazzo

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#152440: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:14:01 PM

RE: Glenn Beck

Part of his change is from getting medicated, or so I understand.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#152441: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:15:03 PM

Even if Christie is implicated in Bridgegate Trump can always pardon him.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#152442: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:15:27 PM

Mhm. Glenn Beck came across to me as having a great big My God, What Have I Done? moment. It's kind of shame he probably doesn't have much audience left now- the left isn't going to forget everything he said up until this point, and the right... well, if there remains significant anti-Trump influence on the right, that's cause for celebration.

edited 9th Nov '16 12:16:01 PM by Gilphon

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#152443: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:16:17 PM

Racist isn't a thing people are, racism is a thing people do.

To the extent that calling someone a "racist" makes sense it's only in the descriptive sense, referring to a long-standing pattern of behavior. Not some intrinsic quality of a person's being.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#152444: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:16:32 PM

So how long Trump sues Comedy Central and CNN for comments that hurt his ego?

MSNBC should be shitting their collective pants right now if they have any brains left.

Inter arma enim silent leges
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#152445: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:17:27 PM

Realistically those networks have the money to outspend him in such a lawsuit. It's a question of if they'll have the spine to try.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#152446: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:18:39 PM

Depends, has he got control of his twitter account back yet?

That's the test, if Trump gets his twitter back then he's on control and we may well see all our nightmares come true, but if even after being made president-elect he's not allowed on Twitter, then he's just a figurehead and we should worry about the Pence agenda.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#152447: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:19:50 PM

So...am I the only one hoping that Trump's fuck ups only get to Dubya levels?

Because man I'm starting to miss that administration...

New Survey coming this weekend!
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#152448: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:20:24 PM

[up][up][up]I would guess that they do. Because, well, a politician suing a news outlet is pretty much the definition of bad press- not to mention a source of income for that news outlet.

edited 9th Nov '16 12:20:44 PM by Gilphon

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#152449: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:20:32 PM

That Cracked article made me feel better.

The physical progress may be lost, but the attitude changes and strives we've made for equality won't go away. There's lots of good people out there who aren't going to just go away or change just because there's new management. We can fix this, and maybe next time, Democrats will be ready and earn the people's support.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#152450: Nov 9th 2016 at 12:20:45 PM

Speaking of which:

Milo Yiannopoulos, the "alt right" icon at Breitbart banned by Twitter for leading an abuse campaign against "Saturday Night Live" cast member Leslie Jones, wandered through the media tents at the Hilton as Trump's upset victory was confirmed, taunting media outlets one by one.

"The effect of Trump is that everything becomes permissible," he said. "Dissidence and subversion and mischief and rudeness become OK again in public life. America has been moving away from that for 30 years and for the last 15 years it's been completely absent."

Asked by another NBC News reporter how to unite a divided country, he responded: "Who cares about the other half!"

Well fuck you too Milo, I guess you should be thrown to the neo-nazis you love so much

edited 9th Nov '16 12:21:28 PM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges

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