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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#152301: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:12:23 AM

Hillarie's so called scandals were pretty much nothing. Especially the thing with the E-mails.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#152302: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:13:10 AM

[up][up]The Democratic Party platform this election was the most progressive in the party's history.

edited 9th Nov '16 10:13:28 AM by higherbrainpattern

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#152303: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:14:26 AM

I am absolutely terrified. For this country, for the people's rights, and for the continued existence of life on Earth. I think I'll spend time in the other threads for a bit, I'm feeling a little overwhelmed.

randomdude4 Since: May, 2011
#152304: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:15:31 AM

Pretty much

"Can't make an omelette without breaking some children." -Bur
CDRW Since: May, 2016
#152305: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:16:57 AM

I feel like this occasion warrants a quote about presidents America needs and/or deserves.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#152306: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:17:07 AM

A LOT of people I know or am aquainted with were more scared of Hillary, because the no-fly zone she wanted in Syria, basically amounting to war with Russia, because we'd have to shoot down their planes, and bomb their missile defense system to do it. Seemed to them we'd get more war, possibly even nuclear war faster under her than Trump, because they believed the military would listen to Hillary, but not Trump.

edited 9th Nov '16 10:17:37 AM by xanderiskander

chartoc Since: Apr, 2010
#152307: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:17:18 AM

Christ I want want yelling at you people. He won fair and square. This is the main reason why hate the left in this country, we never can admit that we did wrong. Prepare to fight, stop crying, stop using identity politics and lets move forward. This tweet chain I did sums what happen over the of course of 4 years and how to move on and up:

https://twitter.com/Chartoc/status/796325934223814656

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#152308: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:17:30 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] Is the platform would the vote was based off of though?

edited 9th Nov '16 10:18:54 AM by unnoun

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#152309: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:18:58 AM

The Democratic Party platform this election was the most progressive in the party's history.

Unfortunately, it came after a prolonged (decade-long) economic downturn. That kind of environment doesn't tend to support progressive platforms.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Antiteilchen In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good. Since: Sep, 2013
In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good.
#152310: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:20:15 AM

I think I've found a new signature.

Be my guest.

edited 9th Nov '16 10:20:57 AM by Antiteilchen

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#152311: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:20:27 AM

Indeed.

Yet Trump was a birther too and won the election.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#152312: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:20:31 AM

@xanderiskander

Then a lot of the people you know are pretty freaking ignorant about history. I'm sorry but did you miss the Cold War? The USA shot down lots of Russian planes and vice-versa. The planet is still here.

@chartoc

I'm sorry but how is abandoning identity politics gonna help anybody here? Trump won because he embraced identity politics. White identity politics.

edited 9th Nov '16 10:21:39 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#152313: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:21:10 AM

[up]Well, they weren't officially Soviet planes, so there's that.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#152314: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:23:07 AM

[up][up]Nobody wants a cold war either.

FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare
#152315: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:23:59 AM

The radio silence from long-time respected posters such as Fighteer, Aprilla, and Gabrael is honestly getting on my nerves.

They're not in an elaborate underground complex drawing contingency plans for a resistance movement are they? tongue

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#152317: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:25:08 AM

@xanderiskander

I hate to break it to you, but Cold War 2.0 arrived the moment Putin got elected, and was here to stay the moment he became dictator in all but name. America doesn't get a choice about that. The only question is, are you going to let Russia have its way or stand up to them? The answer, as of right now, is let them have its way, which will only make things worse in the long run.

You have to check aggression like Putin's early on, because if you don't, they start to take more and more until eventually you have no choice but to try and stop them on ground of their choosing.

edited 9th Nov '16 10:25:53 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#152318: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:25:40 AM

Lol Fighteer's probably having to Whack posts with his Mod Stick. He's probably busy.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#152319: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:26:28 AM

@Bense: if a president wins the popular vote but loses the electoral college, does that not mean then that those few who voted for the loser have had their votes made meaningless? Because it's apparent that you don't think those people's votes matter.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#152320: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:29:18 AM

I got this in one of my feeds:

I was asked to make a follow-up to my post from March:

In March I explained in-depth how Donald Trump had already won the Presidency by implementing almost every strategy found in 'The Art of War' during the Republican Primaries. You can see that post here:

http://imgur.com/gallery/HO5TT

Needless to say I was right. Hillary had no plan against Trump. She used the same attacks against Trump that his Republican rivals did: he's a bigot, a racist, a blah blah blah. That didn't work in the primaries and it didn't work in the general election.

As I stated back in March there is no political strategy to beat Trump. He's not playing by political rules, that's the whole point. I did see two paths to beating him, and neither was about Hillary: The first strategy was Bernie winning the Democratic Primaries. He had the swag, the charisma, the cuddly Grandpa mentality. His appeal was the same as that of Biden: Go-lucky, real, passionate. Unfortunately he was running against the Clinton Machine/DNC and he got churned out like a hunk of beef.

The second strategy was Bernie, yes THAT Bernie, again. He should have been the VP even though Hillary leans center way more than progressive. Her inability to negotiate was her undoing. It's not just about the Bernie voters that refused to vote Hillary, it was about their enthusiasm. Like it or not they were a ground-game unlike anything anyone's ever seen. The ridiculous amount of donations, the millions of phone calls, the millions of doors knocked. Their passion was most needed against Trump.

Yes, Bernie campaigned for Hillary during the general election, but it was no longer the same. Bernie used to be their guy, their champion that could fight against the 1%, for $15 minimum wage, free healthcare, and free tuition. He couldn't do that while campaigning for Hillary without being on the ballot because everyone knew she didn't really care about any of that.

So what was Hillary left with? No passion, no drive, no enthusiasm, no Bernie, no Presidency. She was too proud, and that, ladies and gents, is what Trump exposed to perfection. Yes folks, Trump is a master strategist, and he knew Hillary's weakness was her stoic character. During the campaign you often heard Hillary mention that the Republicans have been attacking her for 30 years and never found anything to hurt her. She wore that as a badge of honor, she thought that made her stronger. But, as Trump had done in the Republican Primaries, he took the quality his opponents covet most and he turned it on its head.

Crooked Hillary. Hillary Rotten Clinton. Drain the Swamp. Lock her up.

Much like Picasso's abstract paintings, Trump's brush strokes made little sense to most people. Yes, she's a political power house, yes she's a stalwart in her convictions. But that also makes her stiff in her beliefs. The world is ever-changing, how can someone maintain their convictions for 30+ years unless they're crooked and a cheat? How can they maintain power with the elites unless their entire cesspool of a swamp was also polluted? Lock her up.

Trump took her stoicism and grounded it into a pulp. His first attack on Hillary during the general election was that "If she wasn't playing the woman card she wouldn't even get 5% of the vote." BOOM, head shot. How did Hillary respond? "If fighting for women's rights and equal pay is playing the woman card, then deal. Me. IN!"

This played perfectly into Trump's hand. He knew she'd be defiant in being a woman and take that attack personally. He used her soundbites to wedge a gap between men and women voters. The male vote wasn't 2:1 for Trump because they were misogynists, it was because Hillary's words excluded their existence. Remember 'The Art of War'? It's all about divide and conquer. When did Hillary ever talk about men's issues? Never. While Hillary thought she was being stoic in protecting the woman card, Trump was actually playing the man card.

I could go on and on, but truth be told I haven't slept yet and I've written too much as is. If you're interested in reading more I'll post again tomorrow. There's plenty to talk about. How Trump had more Hispanic voters than any Republican in history, how Trump had more LGBT voters than any Republican in history (even though his VP is the biggest anti-LGBT in politics), or how Trump ended up with 48% of the woman vote even after those Access Hollywood tapes.

Regardless of how you feel about the election, it truly was a masterful performance by Donald Trump. One that will go down in history as not only the most shocking victory, but I would dare say the most expertly perfected victory in US political history.

edited 9th Nov '16 10:32:04 AM by AngelusNox

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#152321: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:29:34 AM

I'm exhausted. I got very little sleep last night and this thread has been moving at a rate that makes it impossible to keep up with. I simply don't have the energy to write out detailed posts when they'll vanish in the crawl.

We lost this one by the skin of our teeth, and it seems to have been the "hidden Trump voters" who pulled it out, combined with the Never Hillary crowd on the left staying home or throwing their votes at a third party. If Johnson's voters had gone with Hillary, she'd have won.

The next four years are going to be a study in political endurance on the left and in how gruesomely the right can dismantle the structures of governance that keep our society functioning.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#152322: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:30:23 AM

...I forget, what were Bernie's numbers amongst the white working class votes that Trump got?

Because from what I recall, there were a lot of Bernie supporters in that demographic because of what he promised to do about the banks and the income gap.

One of the things Trump accused Clinton of was being in league with the banks.

Which, I mean. Trump actually isn't. Banks won't give him a loan anymore because his credit score is so bad after tanking so many casinos.

But yeah, the advantage Trump had and Bernie had in the primaries was enthusiasm.

edited 9th Nov '16 10:32:03 AM by unnoun

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#152323: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:31:15 AM

Yup. We're playing Defense now.

Please fumble please fumble please fumble please

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#152324: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:32:45 AM

I hope Japan manages to survive and still bring their media to the West. I need it to survive this.

edited 9th Nov '16 10:33:02 AM by Bat178

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#152325: Nov 9th 2016 at 10:32:54 AM

This is not about left vs right. This is about a bunch of people who are set out on destroying what was build in the last century because they are dissatisfied, but with no idea what they want to replace it with. This is a disaster in the making.

And to clarify something: I am not a leftist. In fact, I spend just as much time pushing back against the fanatic left than I speak up against the fanatic right. But I recognise destructive elements when I see them. And my only hope is that Trump failing to fulfil his unrealistic promises will be a warning for everyone who listens to populists.

edited 9th Nov '16 10:34:11 AM by Swanpride


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