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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#152201: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:38:20 AM
Thumped: This post was thumped by moderation to preserve the dignity of the author.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#152202: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:38:50 AM

2018 is the midterm. 2020 is the General.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#152203: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:39:22 AM

Or not, as disenchantment with the lack of progress Trump gave his supporter turns them off voting.

mrstack345 Paranormal Activity VII from Subspace Since: May, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Paranormal Activity VII
#152204: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:39:31 AM

[up][up][up][up]Yep. 2 Years away. I only hope that Trump said all those things just to get the vote, or he surrounds himself with good(?) filters.

edited 9th Nov '16 8:40:28 AM by mrstack345

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#152205: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:40:35 AM

Trump is a cult leader practically. His supporters worship him. The odds of being disillusioned do not strike me as particularly high here.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#152206: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:40:42 AM

I could totally buy that Trump himself may be full of hot air, in fact GOD I hope so, but PENCE is terrifying to me.

"We're home, Chewie."
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#152207: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:42:16 AM

Indeed. I actually read an article where a lot of Republican Congressmen have realized that the GOP is now not at all like it used to be, especially since Trump essentially embodies the alt-right.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#152208: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:42:51 AM

People care more about reigning in the corporations, and corrupt politics, than they do about identity politics right now, Because that's something they can immediately see effects them.

And in an act of unbearable stupidity they gave the government to the hands of a corrupt corporate stooge, who spend the last twenty years doing exactly that, in a silver platter.

Inter arma enim silent leges
Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#152209: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:43:24 AM

I think Trump has just proven to the world that calling an asshole an asshole to his face doesn't dilute his desire to be an asshole one little bit. It just empowers him to be more of one. In for a penny, in for a pound.

Social ostracization only works if you can get the majority of the people to AGREE with you to do it.

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#152210: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:43:27 AM

I agree, Trump's supporters are terrifying.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#152211: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:44:20 AM

I still kind of trust the saner GOP members to not enact his most ....universally deplorable....policies. Like pulling out of NATO. I can't imagine Congress wanting that.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#152212: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:48:09 AM

And in an act of unbearable stupidity they gave the government to the hands of a corrupt corporate stooge, who spend the last twenty years doing exactly that, in a silver platter.
Meh it's not like Hillary would be any better on that front. Even before it was revealed she was actually going to give corporations tax cuts, there were articles before that where those people basically said they were promised that behind closed doors, and her talk of increasing corporate taxes was "just politics". I even saw a panel on the news where they were talking about reassuring donors they shouldn't be worried. The whole establishment is full of stooges, and people see that.

edited 9th Nov '16 8:48:52 AM by xanderiskander

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#152213: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:50:05 AM

I also thought that smarter politicians would do their best to deal with Brexit as smart as possible...instead May nearly pushed it through without any approval of the parliament whatsoever.

Nope, the Inmates have taken over the madhouse.

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#152214: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:50:11 AM

So yeah, I stayed up until after midnight last night refreshing this thread and the Washington Post map over and over. Incredibly disappointed with the outcome. Understandably, I have little motivation at work today. More thoughts at another forum I frequent.

Two silver linings (admittedly, this is damning with faint praise): David Duke lost his Senate bid. And some 59 million Americans were NOT okay with voting for Trump. So at least it wasn't a landslide for Trump, both in the EC and popular vote.

edited 9th Nov '16 8:53:03 AM by speedyboris

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#152215: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:51:01 AM

Part of the thing with calling an ass an ass is that they're being called assholes by people whose opinions they don't particularly respect to say the least. To them, pissing off someone like Hillary mean that you're probably doing something right.

Leviticus 19:34
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#152216: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:54:05 AM

Edit- This post is probably ill advised.

edited 9th Nov '16 8:54:46 AM by Hodor2

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#152217: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:54:26 AM

Meh it's not like Hillary would be any better on that front. Even before it was revealed she was actually going to give corporations tax cuts, there were articles before that where those people basically said they were promised that behind closed doors, and her talk of increasing corporate taxes was "just politics". I even saw a panel on the news where they were talking about reassuring donors they shouldn't be worried. The whole establishment is full of stooges, and people see that.

Unlike Trump, Hillary didn't promise to screw entire classes of people in the process.

[up]How do you sell things like minimum living wage and social security for people who actively support candidates who are against those things despise needing it the most?

Really rural and small town American, say good bye to your EBT cards and whatever insurance you have.

edited 9th Nov '16 8:56:52 AM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#152218: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:54:39 AM

Alright, guys, I'm going to take a break from this thread for a while. I'll see you all later. Try to enjoy yourself and pray. But most of all, DO things.

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#152219: Nov 9th 2016 at 9:02:28 AM

I don't actually think the articles I'm quoteblocking get read given how fast things are now, but in terms of doing things:

What We Do Now: How to preserve the ideals of liberal democracy in the face of a Trump presidency.

The unspeakable has happened: Donald J. Trump has been elected president of the United States. The commander in chief, the most powerful man on earth, the supposed leader of the free world is now a man who holds liberal democracy in contempt.

It’s difficult to say what the next years will bring. For all his venom, Trump is no ideologue. He has not worked out a plan for how to subvert American democracy or destroy liberal institutions, if only because he has not much of a plan at all. So there is an outside chance that he will prove to be a surprisingly conventional—or simply a historically ineffective—president.

But that seems unlikely. In my recent work, I have shown that citizens have increasingly turned against liberal democracy, especially in the United States. The traditional checks and balances that are supposed to safeguard our rights are at best imperfect bulwarks against a president determined to amass power. In many countries around the world, the consequences are already visible: Illiberal democracy, a system in which the people rule but the rights of unpopular minorities are routinely violated, is on the march.

And if one thing is clear about Trump, it is that his instincts are deeply authoritarian. The political scientist Juan Linz listed the warning signs long ago. As described by the Harvard political scientists Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt, they include “a refusal to unambiguously disavow violence, a readiness to curtail rivals’ civil liberties, and the denial of the legitimacy of an elected government.” Trump, they write, passes this anti-democratic litmus test with flying colors:

He has encouraged violence among supporters (offering to pay their legal fees), pledged to jail Hillary Clinton and take legal action against unfriendly media, and suggested that he might not accept the election results. Such acts are unprecedented among major American candidates, but they are precisely the kind of behavior that Linz and other scholars have identified as preceding democratic breakdown in interwar Europe. Of course, for all we know, Trump may never attack the freedom of the press. He may never order his underlings to commit illegal acts. He may never decide to disobey a ruling by the Supreme Court. He may never manufacture a foreign war to assure himself of re-election. And he may never falsify election results or lock up his political opponents, when all of that won’t suffice.

But all these horrors are now real possibilities. If we are to have any chance of stopping them, we must start to learn the art of resisting a would-be dictator.

That art is difficult to master. It cannot be imported wholesale from other countries or contexts. Even if we learn to excel at it—and we will have to learn on the fly, with no safety net to catch our fall—we might well fail. But there are ordinary times, when the stakes of politics are real yet limited, and then there are extraordinary times, when the most basic questions about the future are up for grabs. A vast majority of Americans have only ever lived in ordinary times. Now, with terrifying suddenness, the survival of the American republic—and of liberal democracy around the world—is in danger. So we need to understand that the stakes are higher than they have ever been in our lifetimes. Doing the right thing over the course of the next four years will demand more sacrifice and greater courage than we could have imagined a few short months ago. Here are some initial thoughts—still far too broad and inchoate, but a start—for what we can do to preserve liberalism in the face of such peril.

  1. We accept Trump’s victory. However much he scares us, we recognize his election as part of the democratic process to which we are committed. But we also know that there are many things an elected president does not have the authority to do, and we must be vigilant about enforcing that red line. As soon as Trump does something unconstitutional or morally abhorrent, we will come out into the streets in full force—and then we must not let up until he retreats.

  2. The press has a key role to play in fighting for the survival of free speech. It must remain committed to the truth. But it is because of that commitment that all false equivalence must cease. It is not possible to be neutral between a would-be tyrant and the democratic opposition. Anybody who applies the bipartisan norms of political reporting that may have been appropriate in 1979 to 2016 is falling into the trap that produced our current predicament.

  3. To resist a would-be tyrant, you need to work with strange bedfellows. For the next four years, we must build the broadest possible coalition against Trump. This coalition will have plenty of internal disagreements: It will include Barack Obama and Mitt Romney but also Jill Stein and Glenn Beck. That’s OK. Our joint goal is to work toward a future in which these differences can come back to the fore.

  4. We must condemn the individuals who are complicit in any form of authoritarian overreach in the strongest terms. One of the great virtues of liberalism is that political rivals can continue to be civil to each other. But when some people seek to destroy the most basic rights of their fellow citizens, civility toward them is misplaced. If you are supporting an aspiring dictator, you need to feel the social consequences.

  5. On the other hand, if you decide to stand on the right side of history, no matter how late in the game, we welcome you with open arms. Your sins will be forgiven, at least until the danger is banished. If coming out against Trump gets you fired, we will crowdsource for you. And if you are spending all of your time and energy organizing against Trump, our couches and kitchens will have your name on them; we will not let you go hungry while you are fighting for us all.

  6. We must bolster and protect independent power centers. We must work our hearts out to win the midterm elections in a landslide. We must be prepared to defend the judiciary against attempts to undermine its neutrality, to help state governors stand up to Washington, and to protect journalists critical of the administration.

  7. Federal employees and military personnel should loyally serve the democratically elected president insofar as his policies are legal. But their first duty is to the Constitution, and they must refuse to serve him when he is asking them to break it. If they cannot dissuade him from illegal moves, high-profile appointees, and especially military officers, should consider mass resignations that might turn public opinion against Trump.

  8. The day-to-day fight against creeping authoritarianism will take up most of our energy. But we must also carve out the space to paint the vision of a better future. This vision must be both restorative and radical: It should recognize the renewed urgency of the liberal values we are now in danger of losing—and yet offer a much bolder vision than we have in the past decades for how our political and economic institutions can make those values a reality.

  9. After this election it is impossible to be blind to the racist rot in our society. Under Trump, the Republican Party has completed its decadeslong transition toward being a vehicle for white identity politics. To oppose Trump is to fight for the equal rights—civil, political, and economic—of all ethnic and religious groups. At the same time, our goal must be to bring about a political era in which the deepest disagreements are about values and principles, not ethnic and religious allegiances. A politics in which the primary dividing line is tribal will continue to have the makings of civil war.
  10. In the depths of World War II, the future of humanity looked just about as bleak as it has ever done. But for some, the unspeakable horrors of the war also held out a unique moral opportunity. “Never in the field of human conflict,” Winston Churchill told his countrymen in the late summer of 1940, “was so much owed by so many to so few.” This is the kind of moment in which we now find ourselves. The stakes are enormous. There can be no doubt that we might lose, even if we do our best. But, for all their horror, the bleak times that lie ahead will offer us a rare time of complete moral clarity. Liberal democracy has prevailed against the odds before. It is the civic duty of us all to do everything we can so that it might prevail again.

I think it's time I start doing some digging on the Malaysian political system and its parties' platforms myself.

edited 9th Nov '16 9:02:41 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#152220: Nov 9th 2016 at 9:04:15 AM

I'm so disappointed in the outcome of this election.

More than disappointment though, I'm outright terrified for what will happen to the LGBT community, the Latino community (along with undocumented immigrants), the black community, the economy, etc.

This sucks, man. sad

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#152221: Nov 9th 2016 at 9:06:00 AM

<sigh> What will be, will be.

Disgusted, but not surprised
ewolf2015 MIA from south Carolina Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
MIA
#152223: Nov 9th 2016 at 9:09:55 AM

guys, i might a suggest civil war. as much love peace and tolerance, we might as well send them a message.

MIA
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#152224: Nov 9th 2016 at 9:11:36 AM

There will be no advocating violence, including assassination, revolution, civil war, etc. We will not permit it.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#152225: Nov 9th 2016 at 9:12:23 AM

How many times do we have to fucking go over this?

Find somewhere else to take that shit, people

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

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