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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#152176: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:15:26 AM

Let's try Michelle Obama.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#152177: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:15:37 AM

[up][up][up] What for? They don't need terrorists, they have already won, the US is doing their job for them.

edited 9th Nov '16 8:15:47 AM by Swanpride

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#152178: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:16:52 AM

In the event that Indirect Active Transport sees this: Again,. PENCE, the VP, is the one likely to be running things. He's highly fucking religious, and likely to pursue a religiously inspired agenda against the LGBTQ community. Trump, a highly manipulable person, doesn't actually give a fuck about religion or its interaction with the government. And his stated persecution of Muslims isn't going to shift into a pursuit only against those who follow a specific religion; it's fucking racist from top to bottom. So you are wrong on ALL COUNTS REGARDING THIS. I'm not sure how you got the idea that Trump would somehow make the government more secular.

Also, no US president has ever had that level of control over college campuses. I'm not sure how you can logically connect the two. Given that the right to free speech exists every where, any crack pot religious nut can stand on a corner preaching about any damn thing they want. Students, having the right to free assembly, have the right to gather to discuss their religious beliefs, and to tell others about it. And, I repeat, no US president has that level of micromanaging control over what students on college campuses talk about. That is literally impossible. Also, if anything, Christian proselytizing of a nasty sort would seem to be more likely to increase, given these events.

I'm seriously not sure how you're coming to these bizarre conclusions with the facts we've seen.

Raddishes Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#152179: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:17:03 AM

My question still wasn't answered pages back: Where does Johnson even come from? Nobody even talks about him during pre-election and he just...appeared alongside Trump and Hillary yesterday. Why is he even there in the first place if nobody even knows that guy?

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#152180: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:18:20 AM

Also as far as Trump = Hitler comparisons. It's not just Trump. Think about it:

Say you're a Muslim and you just got attacked by a Trump supporter. You go to the police to report. OOPS! The local cops support Trump. So most likely they're not gonna look into it.

But what if they did and they caught the guy? Would a jury, possibly full of Islamphobes, find him guilty? If he's found guilt, would he somehow be pardoned?

This is the rabbit hole we, as a country, went down. The right wing hate groups are gonna be emboldened by this.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#152181: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:20:09 AM

If I might add a more hopeful anecdote, my twitter timeline has been surprisingly warm and anti-Trump. Content creators and random people (even ones who aren't usually overtly political) speaking out against institutional oppression, artists saying that creators matter now more than ever and that we shouldn't stop making art to give people hope and joy, people posting hotlines and offering emotional support. It's beautiful. It's a Crowning Moment Of Heartwarming if I've ever seen one.

I suppose a lot of it is me following great people to begin with.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#152182: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:20:17 AM

I mean, yeah, Trump hasn't done anything yet so comparing him to Hitler isn't right because we don't know.

His campaign was very similar to Hitler's though. And I do think that's important to note and comment on.

And the fact that some of his supporters are literally neo-Nazis and voted for him because they think he's like Hitler.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#152183: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:20:45 AM

Re-Who is Johnson: He was New Mexico's Republican Governor in the 90's, and he did pretty well. He ran for Presidency in 2012, first as a Republican, but seeing that he was a nothing there, jumped ship to the Libertarian Party and won it in 2012. He received ~1% of the Popular Vote in 2012. He ran again in 2016 and won.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#152184: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:20:49 AM

@Johnson: he's a libertarian, which means he's an economically right-wing social liberal ala Ayn Rand. His party is probably the largest third party. He was hoping to advance his party because the two main party's candidates were highly unpopular.

Leviticus 19:34
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#152185: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:21:18 AM

Johnson: He had been running for a while, but outside some major gaffes ("What is Aleppo?") he hasn't been on most people's radar, and consistently made his VP pick Weld look more competent than him.

Which is kind of fitting, given he was about as likely to win as much as he was going to break the two-party system.

edited 9th Nov '16 8:21:46 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#152186: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:21:39 AM

I said it once and I will say it again. Trump doesn't scary me as much as his supporters do, they will be validated enough to act on their bigotry, this means every George Zimmerman who shots a black kid, every racist cop stopping and frisking someone for looking wrong, every transphobe literally kicking a trans person out of a bathroom, every dipshit groping women will probably get a free pass.

Inter arma enim silent leges
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#152187: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:23:02 AM

@Unnoun: The question though is whether or not he actually meant anything he said; if he was just telling the people what they wanted to hear. I think the latter is the most likely, but I guess we won't know for sure until next year....

[up]Same here. The really issue here isn't Trump; it's everyone around him, including his supporters. Even if he didn't mean most of what he said, they're still going to use that as an excuse to act out their sick racist fantasies and get away with it. And that's what truly scary here.

edited 9th Nov '16 8:26:29 AM by kkhohoho

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#152188: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:25:26 AM

The dems won't be able to retake the presidency in 2020, unless they stop blaming everyone else, and fix their internal problems, and their campaign strategy so they can get enough votes to win.

But I have hope that a midterm win is possible, because there's the brand new congress movement, that wants to run the midterms as one "group" or "candidate". They want to make it as big as a presidential election to force the media to cover it.

Let's try Michelle Obama.
I tell you she would have won. In popularity polls, she was at the tippy top. #2 was Sanders.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#152189: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:25:32 AM

[up][up] Yeah, any news story I've ready via Yahoo has a ton of the usual phrases of "libtard", "go to Canada if you don't like it here," "Obama's gonna get it", "Hillary's going to jail", and on and on and on. The deplorables are out in full force.

mrstack345 Paranormal Activity VII from Subspace Since: May, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Paranormal Activity VII
#152190: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:26:00 AM

Guess I'm just a relentless optimist to the situation at hand. tongue

My opinion, Trump will be a one-term president. His supporters would be disappointed that much of his "policies" aren't coming to fruition, thanks to a deadlocked Congress and Democrats and Independents (even Republicans who hate Trump) would see this as a massive wake-up call and try to get people to vote for anti-Trump alternatives. Remember, despite being called "the most powerful man on the planet" a POTUS needs to work with other branches of government in order to have their decisions met.

Can Trump do it with all the people he has isolated himself from during the course of the campaign? Maybe, but it'll be very very difficult. With the US as divided as ever, most of his "policies" will likely be filibustered, shelved, or outright removed if not by Congress but by a furious public.

That is to say it what would happen if said people haven't moved away from the US by that point. If so, we're truly boned.

Your works are one trope short.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#152191: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:26:51 AM

@Karkadinn

Basically, the Democrats will need to do something about their rhetoric. While it's important to fight for social progress, too much focus on identity politics and certain virulent strains of the alt-left/ people who don't actually have that strong leftist politics but are really obnoxious about expressing them contributes to pushing away people who might've otherwise been allies (e.g. the less insane Dixiecrats). And we've seen that all to well this election that people can be really fucking petty and easily affected by their feelings.

edited 9th Nov '16 8:28:02 AM by AlleyOop

Raddishes Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#152192: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:27:27 AM

@Everyone who answered about Johnson: Thanks! Just thought it was weird Johnson pops up out of nowwhere when next to nothing is said about him in media news.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#152193: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:27:38 AM

Trump might resign just because he's bored. He's never been in government before. He doesn't realize that actually running for office is the only exciting part.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#152194: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:28:23 AM

[up]x4 The good news is that's a lot harder for people to move then you think. You need to have enough money to do a proper immigration for starters, but you also need to make sure that the country you want to immigrate to is willing to take you in. And even then, some people who say they're going to move don't always have the guts to actually go with through it, or they were only half-kidding. So I don't think that's going to be an issue.

edited 9th Nov '16 8:29:11 AM by kkhohoho

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#152195: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:29:52 AM

So I'm not sure if this is what what I'd broadly call "Sanders supporters" (well, the white ones obviously) are saying on the rebanding issue but I'm pretty sure that this is what Never Trump Republicans are saying- So I guess it was too much for President Obama and the Democrats to say that it might possibly be a bad thing for police to continually kill unarmed black people? Or to condemn Donald Trump for being Islamophobic and racist when he was? Is that what all of you "Dems must rebrand" people are saying because that's what I'm hearing.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#152196: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:30:08 AM

Surprise, surprise. Putin wants to restore full relations with the US now.

http://www.reuters.com/article/usa-election-russia-putin-idUSR4N1D800D

Europe is fucked.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
mrstack345 Paranormal Activity VII from Subspace Since: May, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Paranormal Activity VII
#152197: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:32:57 AM

People rarely make good on that threat. Immigrating from one country to another is a long tedious process, and even then, the claim in question may be denied for one reason or another. Also, leaving a home for another takes a lot of mental skill to adjust to.

Best you can do is channel your anger, hatred and disgust to something that can help everybody, not just you. 2018, GO VOTE, 2020, GO VOTE. This is the anger and bitterness that lead to President Trump. That can be the same anger that can take him out of it (or at least lower the damage he could do).

Your works are one trope short.
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#152199: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:34:41 AM

So I guess it was too much for President Obama and the Democrats to say that it might possibly be a bad thing for police to continually kill unarmed black people? Or to condemn Donald Trump for being Islamophobic and racist when he was? Is that what all of you "Dems must rebrand" people are saying because that's what I'm hearing.
No it wasn't that was too much. It was that people didn't care enough.

People care more about reigning in the corporations, and corrupt politics, than they do about identity politics right now, Because that's something they can immediately see effects them.

You also act like Sanders didn't talk about those things. He was all about those things at every rally.

edited 9th Nov '16 8:38:00 AM by xanderiskander

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#152200: Nov 9th 2016 at 8:37:47 AM

At least we can expect a record turnout for the 2020 election.


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