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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#152126: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:44:04 AM

You've clearly never worked for one, have you?

Corporate owners are KING in their domain. Now Trump's domain is all of fucking America

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#152127: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:44:24 AM

I mean, in the 30s you might have thought that military mail delivery guy and failed painter =/= dictator.

Hindsight.

Seriously, some of you are sounding more and more like conspiracy theorists at this point.

Like, my point is that there were people who said the exact same thing about Hitler.

Who didn't believe that the concentration camps were real, because he'd never do that.

edited 9th Nov '16 7:45:57 AM by unnoun

FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare
#152128: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:44:29 AM

The ironic thing about Trump's victory is that ethnic minorities will now become persuaded that race-relations are indeed truly a "zero-sum game", and that anything a blonde, blue-eyed white person does or says is to be suspect. I've literally have had foreign student friends who just received phone calls from their parents to "be extra careful" around white people. sad

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#152129: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:45:19 AM

To me, Trump is more bark than bite. He says a lot of nasty things, but I don't think he'll actually act on most of them. He's probably just going to let Pence and the GOP do what they want, which in and of itself wouldn't be good either, but at least it's not as bad as enacting Trump's actual supposed 'policies.'

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#152130: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:45:41 AM

Posting again because I got bottom-paged, I don't think you know very much about Hitler, Hardcore.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#152131: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:45:53 AM

The important thing right now:

Figure why we lost and correct it. We need to wait for that data to come in.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#152132: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:46:00 AM

I hope nobody got killed while I was sleeping last night.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#152133: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:46:36 AM

Trump strikes me as stupid and corrupt not a warmonger.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#152134: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:46:38 AM

So here's something I've been thinking RE the future of the Democratic Party as well as my thoughts on the "Bernie would have won" idea.

So although I think that he still had issues that would have sunk him, I'm willing to allow the possibility because he did do really well in Michigan. The main thing that turned me against Sanders early on is that he basically seemed to be arguing that the Democratic Party should drop all of its social and racial justice priorities in order to win white voters.

And maybe that would have worked, because even with a drop in minority votes, that would have been enough to put Sanders/whoever over. Thing is though, I don't think I'd want to belong to that political party. I mean part of it is that I have different priorities on economic issues that Sanders, but a big part of it also is that while I've been pleased with the Democratic Party embrasing social and racial justice, we're still talking about small steps. Like specifically, the discussion of police shootings has been fairly tepid- and understandably so because even those tepid discussions provoke huge backlash.

And with this in mind, I'm (we're) supposed to accept the conclusion that the problem with the Democrats is that they pushed too much in these areas? Especially when the opposing candidate was openly bigoted in every way and won.

Edit- On a related issue, alhtough I doubt strongly this is the "only" reason Clinton lost, especially since she might have slightly won the popular vote, but like the VRA wasn't in force this time around and there was tons of voter suppression. Don't know how that can be fixed going forward under a Trump presidency, but I do know that it doesn't help to ignore the issue and insist that it all comes down to Clinton's unpopularity coupled with the idea that the Dems pushed civil rights "too much" on the country.

edited 9th Nov '16 7:48:50 AM by Hodor2

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#152135: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:46:56 AM

I added the addendum of "genocidal" too.

Regardless, I have seen no political pundits or scientists, or economists drawing these same parallels. So I'll continue to take their word and outlook over reactionaries on Tv Tropes.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#152137: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:47:41 AM

[up]x11 When you compare his speeches vs Hitler or Mussolini, they sound saner than Trump.

Hitler started out with the 'thrown them out' forced deportation and started up the camps to do just that, the final solution was just 'better' in his eyes. Trump might actually try and start that slippery slope.

edited 9th Nov '16 7:48:24 AM by Memers

FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare
#152138: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:48:01 AM

To me, Trump is more bark than bite. He says a lot of nasty things, but I don't think he'll actually act on most of them. He's probably just going to let Pence and the GOP do what they want, which in and of itself wouldn't be good either, but at least it's not as bad as enacting Trump's actual supposed 'policies.'

It's worth mentioning that that's actually one of the most popular reasons Trump supporters that I know have given for their choice.

"Oh, Trump's just talking for the sake of getting popular support. He'll leave the actual policymaking to his lieutenants like JFK did. Versus Hillary, who'd actually see through things herself to increase her personal power."

edited 9th Nov '16 7:48:49 AM by FluffyMcChicken

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#152139: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:48:16 AM

I've seen plenty of people making those comparisons.

It was all over the news when he retweeted a Mussolini quote, and when Anne Frank's stepsister compared him to Hitler.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#152140: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:48:46 AM

@hardcore: and all those folks thought trump would lose. We've reached peak irrational; abandon all models, ye who enter here

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#152141: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:49:06 AM

I hope the criminals at Wikileaks are happy with themselves.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#152142: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:49:47 AM
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#152143: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:50:30 AM

Okay, guys, hardcorefakes has a point. A lot of you are starting to sound like reactionary conspiracy theorists. I may actually have to take a break from this thread, because right now, there's too much doomsaying and Wild Mass Guessing for my tastes.

edited 9th Nov '16 7:51:04 AM by kkhohoho

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#152144: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:51:22 AM

I didn't finish reading the article but Comey basically pulled that stunt over a grudge against the Clintons, right?

I hope it was worth destroying the nation. What a fucking asshole.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#152145: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:51:28 AM

@thatguythere47

Yeah...think I'm taking a small break from this thread. People seriously need to calm down with the slippery slope fallacies.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#152146: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:51:48 AM

@hodor: I think the postmortem will conclude that Hillary's alienation of the rust belt was what destroyed her chances and that appealing doesn't require being racist. My crystal ball says there'll be a lot more protectionism and promises of getting all those new fancy renewable jobs tucked away in the rust belt in 2020.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
Antiteilchen In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good. Since: Sep, 2013
In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good.
#152147: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:51:49 AM

This is Godwin's Law in full effect here. Stop with these silly comparisons. I bet if you dig deep enough, you can find all sorts of connections with Stalin too.

Stalin knew not to use nukes willy-nilly.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#152148: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:51:49 AM

hardcokefakes: Hitler didn't just start rounding up the Jews. It was a gradual process.

We're already seeing it. Including the obvious "random yahoo wins thanks to populism", Trump supports stop and frisk and taking legal guns from people if they "look suspicious." Stop and frisk disproportionally affects minorities and we basically know that the 2nd Amendment only applies to white people in this country.

And keep in mind, Hitler made illegal for Jews to own guns in 1938.

Will we have another "Final Solution"? Most likely no, but I'm going to be cautious.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#152149: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:52:22 AM

According to Assange, the only reason Wikileaks kept throwing stuff out about Clinton was because they had nothing on Trump. They could have just not thrown out anything on either one.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#152150: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:52:51 AM

Yeah I have to agree with Kkhohoho, hardcorefakes, and Totemic Hero on this.


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