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singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#152051: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:04:34 AM

IIRC: The nuclear option can only be implemented at the start of a session of Congress - essentially during the house keeping section where they all agree on the rules of how to conduct debates. Normally they just say "same as we did last time" - the nuclear option is "same as last time only no filibusters."

Agreeing the rules that the session will follow only requires 51 votes.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#152053: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:06:57 AM

[up] He more or less has the Senate now.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#152054: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:07:24 AM

The GOP wants to repeal the ACA, for ideological (not economic or business, the insurance industry loves Obamacare) reasons.

The ACA is dead. The US is leaving the 1st world behind again, in the race to the bottom.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#152055: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:07:31 AM

so what will happen to minorities, more specifically poc and LGBTQ people?

They're in for an extremely rough time, to put it mildly.

I don't know that legislation might pass in terms of fucking over Po C, but I'm fully expecting LGBTQ people to get fucked over regardless because of Pence.

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#152056: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:07:39 AM

House and Senate will pass repealing bills and he will sign. There is nothing to stop them.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#152057: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:07:52 AM

so what will happen to minorities, more specifically poc and LGBTQ people?

Well gay conversion camps are likely going to become a thing. Concentration camps are likely for Mexicans and Muslims.

And targeted economic starvation for mostly black urban areas will be back to being the norm.

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#152058: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:08:15 AM

We have a minority in both houses of Congress.

It's an uphill fight.

Though there is the bright side that Trump has personally offended many prominent figures in his new congress on the campaign trail.

Well see if their honor means anything these next few years.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#152059: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:08:52 AM

[up][up] I wonder what will happen to Asians...

[up] They ultimately caved during his campaign. They aren't going to oppose him now.

edited 9th Nov '16 7:09:28 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Cronosonic (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#152060: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:09:46 AM

There's a lot that assumes that the GOP can and wants to kill the filibuster. I imagine some GOP senators would actually be somewhat nervous about doing so, especially if it comes back to bite them later.

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#152061: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:09:56 AM

"Model minorities"(spits) aren't likely to suffer direct violence from the legal system, but the legal system has always turned a blind eye to violence against racial minorities, "model" or no.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#152062: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:09:57 AM

We're probably next in line because China.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#152063: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:10:37 AM

I have zero expectations from Republicans. Many of them ultimately cared more about the party line than preventing a fascist orange manbaby from becoming president, so they've already proven where they stand.

carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#152064: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:10:41 AM

Cuban government is now reportedly making preparations for the inevitable policy reversals.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#152066: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:11:13 AM

I think that all minorities are pretty much fucked right now, "model" (spits) or not.

My dad is from China. He's a legal immigrant who's lived here for most of his life. I don't think that matters to a man like Trump.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#152067: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:11:30 AM

[up] I figured as much.

One of the reasons I voted for HRC was because I knew it was only a matter of time before we were next.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#152068: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:11:40 AM

If the Leave campaign has taught us anything...the word of a conservative politician is worthless. The GOP will largely go along with Trump.

Regarding minorities: police reform won't happen. I'm not sure about deportations, due to logistical issues. The wall is unlikely for the same reason. Voter suppression will increase dramatically.

LGBT Qetc: Can the SC reverse one of its own decisions? I'm pretty sure trans rights are shot for a generation at least. But gay marriage should be secure.

I doubt they'll set up literal concentration camps, but its going to be bad.

edited 9th Nov '16 7:12:41 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#152069: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:11:57 AM

Apparently Trump can't overturn a Supreme Court decision. Marriage equality is safe, but I bet that the Republicans will be trying to pass laws that limit their rights. We may see another Stonewall, another Harvey Milk, and more like that.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#152070: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:13:55 AM

I think that Ryan and co will at least rein Trump in on taxes, economics and (probably) foreign policy.

I think the military industrial complex is terrified about Trump driving America's overseas buyers away. Big business may fear the mismanagement he could bring.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#152071: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:14:11 AM

Supreme Court can and has reversed their own previous decisions. Biggest case was Brown v. Board of Ed overturning Plessy v. Ferguson re segregation.

edited 9th Nov '16 7:14:47 AM by megarockman

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#152073: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:14:28 AM

Amendments to the constitution can override SC decisions. As can a new SC decision.

Both are entirely possible under a Trump presidency; he has at least four, at most eight years to push such a motion. Or rather, Pence does.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#152074: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:15:28 AM

So...you guys ever read any of the Jack Ryan series by Tom Clancy? Or seen the "Designated Survivor" show?

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job

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