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Cronosonic (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#152026: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:53:10 AM

Wait, so the GOP can only deploy the Nuclear Option if they have 2/3 of the senate vote to do that? Yeah, the Democrats can pretty much set the senate on lockdown if they have to, which is a silver lining for keeping current climate policies in place.

Not something I thought I'd say, but frankly it's a necessary evil right now.

edited 9th Nov '16 6:54:37 AM by Cronosonic

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#152027: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:53:58 AM

I'm still in shock over how this happened. Trump is a birther, with no political experience, who insulted every notable minority group in the nation, has been proven to be supported by Russia, has been married three different times, has gone bankrupt multiple times, never won a debate, and has swindled people out of money.

How? Has America forgotten its principles? Did we even have principles to begin with?!

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#152028: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:54:47 AM

No.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#152029: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:55:03 AM

[up]I'm tempted to say that both exist within the soul of America.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#152030: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:56:18 AM

Some voters just want to watch the world burn.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#152031: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:56:24 AM

I guess it goes to show that if you scream and cry and throw enough tantrums, you can get anything you want.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#152032: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:56:37 AM

So has anyone written about why the polls and exit polls are so far off the mark? That still seems fishy to me.

There is the issue of voter suppression, which I am not sure is taken into the account in pools. Because the US is appealingly bad at securing peoples right to vote, many people were simply unable to cast their votes. That issue effects both parties, but it is possible that it effected the democrats more than republicans. Specially since some states deliberately craft their voting laws to suppress minority vote (not sure if this is the case in Florida or other important swing state).

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#152033: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:56:39 AM

No, they never actually existed in many areas of the country. Other areas were finally opening up but not any more, Trump will see to that.

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#152034: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:57:24 AM

How? Has America forgotten its principles? Did we even have principles to begin with?!
Evidently almost 60 million people didn't. I'm going to hold on to that.

IndirectActiveTransport plays capoeira from Chicago (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
plays capoeira
#152035: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:58:06 AM

Cronosonic, current climate policies aren't good, though. Mosanto and Bayer are going to merge, so soon food is going to get worse and bees might not recover.

And do we really need another do nothing Congress? Why don't we campaign against the two party system and sacrifice the Democrats should the electoral college go the way of the voting rights act?

edited 9th Nov '16 6:59:58 AM by IndirectActiveTransport

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#152036: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:58:08 AM

And to think...Trump has been a spoiled brat his entire life who's had everything handed to him on a silver platter...including the Presidency itself.

Like how does this fucking happen??

New Survey coming this weekend!
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#152037: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:59:01 AM

[up][up]Do you know jack shit about what actually drives their bottom lines or do you write everything in a stim-induced haze?

Trump, Congress will be in sync on some issues, but long-term questions loom

Donald Trump, elected U.S. president on Tuesday, will enjoy Republican majorities in both chambers of Congress when he takes office in January and an early Capitol Hill honeymoon is likely on several issues, but a long-term romance may be more challenging.

Under normal circumstances, a president whose party controls both the Senate and House of Representatives can count on getting things done fairly quickly and Trump likely will not be an exception, but he will start with unusual handicaps.

Many fellow Republicans in Congress only backed Trump after he became the nominee. Some never did fall in line. He offended and attacked some of them in the campaign, including House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan.

On top of that, the New York real estate mogul and former reality television celebrity, who will head the world's most powerful government and largest economy, has no governing experience.

"Speaker Ryan called Donald Trump earlier this evening, and the two had a very good conversation. The speaker congratulated Trump," Ryan spokeswoman Ash Lee Strong said.

Trump and the Republican leadership in Congress agree on at least one major policy: They want to repeal Democratic President Barack Obama's landmark healthcare law, known as Obamacare, enacted in 2010.

“I would expect the very first thing a Republican Congress would do would be to repeal Obamacare,” said Republican Oklahoma Representative Tom Cole, a Ryan ally, in an interview on Monday.

Such a step would shake the U.S. healthcare and insurance industries, which have broadly called for measured reforms to Obamacare, although not for its full-scale repeal.

America’s Health Insurance Plans, or AHIP, a trade association that represents insurers such as Anthem Inc and Cigna Corp in Washington, said late on Tuesday that it would work with any new administration on the issue.

"We will work across the aisle – with every policymaker and the new administration – to find solutions," AHIP said in a statement.

Aetna Inc, the No. 3. U.S. health insurer, said in August it was reducing its involvement in Obamacare. That decision followed similar moves by United Health Group Inc and Humana Inc.

Trump has called Obamacare a "disaster" and vowed to repeal and replace it. House Republicans have already voted more than 50 times to repeal all or part of the law.

Senate Democrats were certain to fight an Obamacare rollback, but could be outmaneuvered by Republicans at the procedural level with Trump's cooperation.

Repealing the healthcare law could trigger a public backlash in 2018's congressional elections from millions of Americans who would lose their health insurance coverage.

Before the election, analysts said that both Clinton and Trump would arrive in the White House with some of the weakest approval ratings of any newly elected president.

TAXES, EXECUTIVE ACTIONS

Beyond killing Obamacare, Trump generally sees eye to eye with Republicans in Congress in calling for major tax cuts, including those for the wealthy, although details of their plans do not match up.

Trump has called for cutting the U.S. corporate income tax rate to 15 percent from the current level of 35 percent; Ryan's tax plan proposes going to 20 percent.

Trump and Ryan both back reducing the current number of tax brackets to three from seven. Trump supports lowering the top individual income tax rate to 25 percent from 39.6 percent, while Ryan wants it to go to 33 percent.

Congressional Republicans likely would welcome a move by Trump to rescind some of Obama's executive actions on immigration, labor rights, the environment and global warming.

Virginia Republican Representative Dave Brat said one thing he expected Trump to do early as president would be “taking a pen to all of Obama’s executive overreach. ... That’s a quick, easy fix to get the regulatory burden down."

Cole suggested Trump would also move forward on a border security bill "right away." But Trump's signature proposal to make Mexico pay for the construction of a wall across the entire U.S.-Mexico border, which is 1,989 miles (3,200 km) long, has been met with skepticism among many Republicans.

Many of Trump's other proposals have been thin on details. Some of them, such as scrapping trade deals and spending hundreds of billions of dollars on infrastructure, do not easily square with Republican ideological orthodoxy, which embraces free trade and resists deficit-busting spending.

In addition, Trump has said he wants to do some things as president, such as ban Muslims from the country and allow torture in the fight against terrorism, that some experts say are legally questionable.

"If Trump oversteps his constitutional bounds, I think Congress will work to restrain his power ... they will be much more willing to stand up to him when they think he's wrong," said John Feehery, who was spokesman for former House Speaker Dennis Hastert, a Republican.

RYAN AND MCCONNELL

Trump has switched party affiliation more than once and donated to Democrats, as well as Republicans. He is not overly familiar with Washington's Republican establishment. With some leaders, such as Ryan, Trump's relationships are already sour.

Ryan, 46, is a generation younger than Trump. He is a clean-cut Midwestern budget and policy wonk who has been in Congress since 1999. He criticized many of Trump's utterances, such as his proposed ban on Muslims and his comments about groping women, and Ryan did not campaign with Trump at all.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch Mc Connell, of Kentucky, has been in Washington even longer than Ryan. Mc Connell also held Trump at arm's length, saying little about him in the campaign.

Mc Connell said in June that if Trump were elected president, he would not change the views of the Republican Party, suggesting instead that the party would likely change Trump.

Republican strategist Ron Bonjean said Trump would be smart to reach out to Ryan and Mc Connell and heal the wounds. "There's no real choice for Ryan and Mc Connell," Bonjean added. "They will have to show several earnest attempts to work with him."

Another crucial issue will be the need to fill a Supreme Court vacancy.

Whatever happens, it unlikely to be boring. "On Trump, the unpredictability factor is significant," said Bruce Josten, chief lobbyist at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

(Editing by Kevin Drawbaugh and Peter Cooney)

edited 9th Nov '16 7:00:06 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#152038: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:59:03 AM

[up]x4 I voted for HRC.

I am extremely horrified that this apparently is enough to put me on higher moral ground than nearly sixty million of my fellow Americans.

edited 9th Nov '16 6:59:34 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#152039: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:59:26 AM

@152014: He's a white straight rich man in America. Do the math.

i'm tired, my friend
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#152040: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:59:29 AM

Like we established: his main voting group is those undereducated people that never got exposed to ideas in college, those rural people in the deep south that rooted for the KKK guys in Mississippi Burning, who hated Obama despite everything he did, and who hated all of the progress we made as a country these past eight years.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#152041: Nov 9th 2016 at 6:59:51 AM

[up]x6 A do-nothing Congress is a better than a do-everything GOP Congress. And if we get the former, than that's another reason why things might turn out better than the doomsayers are predicting.

edited 9th Nov '16 7:00:10 AM by kkhohoho

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#152042: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:00:30 AM

I have heard some people say that they only voted for Trump because they want to see a president get assassinated.

carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#152043: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:00:41 AM

Some voters just want to watch the world burn.

A disturbing portion of the young vote he received echoed that. A lot of them who were interviewed by various publications were stuck without jobs and in debt and felt they had little to live for, so might as well take the world down with them and see what happens.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#152044: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:00:53 AM

And to think...Trump has been a spoiled brat his entire life who's had everything handed to him on a silver platter...including the Presidency itself. Like how does this fucking happen??

It's like a cruel joke isn't it?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#152045: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:01:20 AM

How sad is it that a do-nothing gov't is the best case scenario now?

edited 9th Nov '16 7:01:37 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#152046: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:02:18 AM

Oh, something I found out on Twitter today; Today's the 27th anniversary of the day the Berlin Wall fell.

We trade one form of oppression for another.

Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#152047: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:03:15 AM

Basically, a voting bloc full of xenophobic, misogynistic, vindictive, self-destructively selfish, human-shaped piles of excrement, voted for a man who represented them perfectly, and embodied their twisted ideal of the Perfect American.

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
ewolf2015 MIA from south Carolina Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
MIA
#152048: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:03:26 AM

so what will happen to minorities, more specifically poc and LGBTQ people?

MIA
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#152049: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:03:43 AM

Like we established: his main voting group is those undereducated people that never got exposed to ideas in college, those rural people in the deep south that rooted for the KKK guys in Mississippi Burning, who hated Obama despite everything he did, and who hated all of the progress we made as a country these past eight years.

For better or worse, this is apparently very inaccurate.. Winning the Deep South was never going to get Trump the presidency, and he got more (or at least higher percentages) from actually well off people. A lot of unexpected things happened, with a lot of demographics.

But anyway, I think I'm going to follow someone else's lead and check out of this thread for a little bit, maybe a week or two, in order to "decompress". If so, see you all then.

edited 9th Nov '16 7:04:34 AM by LSBK

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#152050: Nov 9th 2016 at 7:03:58 AM

We go down fighting I guess.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

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