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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#151751: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:03:12 AM

It's a wordy PDF, but here are some probable economic impacts of Trump's policies.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#151754: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:06:22 AM

I do have to wonder at this point how many of his "promises" he'll actually follow through and how much he said for the sake of telling people what they want to hear. Because Trump was incredibly inconsistent in many areas during the campaign.
Oh I think it's entirely possible he won't do a goddamn thing about illegal immigration, for example. Yes really. And if it continues it's downward trend, as it has under Obama, he'll just take credit for other people's work, just like he has done before.

"I lowered immigration, I didn't even need to build the wall! Aren't I the greatest?"

edited 9th Nov '16 3:06:57 AM by Eschaton

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#151755: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:06:35 AM

Cubans tend to vote Republican. Republican Cuban-Americans often have no sympathy for Mexicans, because nobody can deport Cubans just yet.

Also, Obama is hated for cutting deals with Raul Castro.

edited 9th Nov '16 3:07:50 AM by Ramidel

optimusjamie Since: Jun, 2010
#151756: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:07:06 AM

Cubans, IIRC.

Edit:[nja]

edited 9th Nov '16 3:07:23 AM by optimusjamie

Direct all enquiries to Jamie B Good
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#151757: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:07:24 AM

I've heard that this is due to most latinos in Florida being Cuban and therefore not associating anything he says about Mexicans with themselves. Which is reasonable, but maybe a bit ignorant of how American race relations work.

edited 9th Nov '16 3:07:45 AM by Clarste

PresidentStalkeyes Eats moldy bread and flies into windows from United Kingdom of England-land Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Do you like me? (Yes ⎕ Definitely ⎕ Absolutely!!! ⎕)
Eats moldy bread and flies into windows
#151758: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:10:04 AM

@Memers: Well, with some luck, this might convince Europe to pull its socks up and retain some level of stability. Then it might be able to afford these payments.

Assuming, of course, he actually meant any of it. I'm still not entirely convinced he's been legit this whole time, by the way. I certainly can't picture him doing a 180 as previously described by some, but I also can't picture him following everything he's said since it's started to the letter. Hell, apparently he didn't even mention The Wall™, banning muslims or jailing Clinton after he won, the latter of two of which I believe he started downplaying recently, anyways.

It seems to me that, as a businessman, he'll focus on MONEY first and foremost, with everything that doesn't have anything to do with money (i.e. social politics) being a secondary concern for him. Is this reassuring? Not really. But it leads me to think that rather than being some boogeyman who hates freedom and would actively go after civil liberties, he simply wouldn't care enough to stop congress from passing less-than-palatable laws simply because there's no MONEY involved.

Those sell-by-dates won't stop me because I can't read!
lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#151759: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:10:48 AM

Canada have legitimately said that they will welcome 250,000+ US Political Migrants. If you need to go, you can go.

OH MY GOD; MY PARENTS ARE GARDENIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#151760: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:11:29 AM

So. Just woke up. And Trump is President after all.

Huh.

Again; the next four years might be rough, but we'll get through it. And when we do, we can hopefully start getting things back on track. Besides, with any luck, the next four years will show at least some of the people who voted for Trump why doing so as not in their best interests.

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#151761: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:12:11 AM

[up][up][up]Won't stop him or his cronies from trying to loot the US dry like he did his Atlantic City casinos.

edited 9th Nov '16 3:12:21 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#151762: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:13:52 AM

[up]x4 Those social policies are literally the biggest problem.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#151763: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:13:58 AM

Canada have legitimately said that they will welcome 250,000+ US Political Migrants. If you need to go, you can go.

Do you have a link?

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#151764: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:14:46 AM

[up][up][up]We're about to see the textbook definition of a kleptocracy.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#151765: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:15:36 AM

Canada's too cold for an Arizona man such as myself, I think I'll stick around and just hope that America doesn't implode.

SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#151766: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:17:12 AM

I wake up and find that the insane person got elected president. Fuck my own country.

Will a rebel alliance rise?

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#151767: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:17:18 AM

I can't move to Canada even if I wanted to. I'm still living with my parents for one thing, and even if I got a fulltime job the very next day, it might take me a while to raise the necessary funds to make the move. And then I'd have to find another job over in Canada anyway. Like or not, I don't have much choice but to stick it out here.

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#151768: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:17:49 AM

....This cannot seriously mean that the only sane leader of the big western powers left is Angela herrgottnochmal Merkel

...*uninterpretable german cursing*

Damn 9th of November...

edited 9th Nov '16 3:19:00 AM by 3of4

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#151769: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:18:12 AM

I still want a link to any kind of source for this Canada thing. It sounds like a joke.

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#151770: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:20:29 AM

American Democracy Is Dying, and This Election Isn’t Enough to Fix It

U.S. prosperity and stability over the last two centuries has been built on the country’s unique brand of inclusive institutions. The United States has laws that protect private property, encourage innovation, and facilitate the functioning of the market while preventing it from being monopolized by a few. It has a political system which prevents the domination of one group over the rest of society, provides the people with a voice on how they should be governed, and enables most Americans to access education and share in the process of wealth creation. These institutions don’t function just because they are written on parchment paper. Our much-revered Constitution, Bill of Rights, and all of the protections for freedom of religion and speech and assembly and more that emanate from them only mean something because we have all agreed to respect them. The Supreme Court is a powerful body only because we have developed political norms that make it well-nigh impossible for presidents to cast its opinions aside when they please, as heads of government have done in so many other countries.

Two norms, in particular, combine to hold the whole system together: respect for the law, and an openness to the right of the people to organize, get engaged in politics, and demand from their representatives good governance and societal change when necessary. Our institutions are not, and have never been, perfect. They can create gridlock. They can also be captured: The vast American bureaucracy, the Congress, and even the Supreme Court are always vulnerable to undue influence by well-organized actors in society. But consensus on the norms undergirding them — a combination of respect and resilience — has ultimately given these institutions the flexibility necessary to endure despite periods of popular discontent. It was this consensus that allowed the United States to abolish slavery and enfranchise former slaves, shake off the dominance of the robber barons, limit monopoly, and later build the beginnings of a social safety net.

Today, our institutions and the underlying political norms are facing some of the most challenging times they have encountered in the modern era. American politics is in an iconoclastic phase, and the icons being targeted are the moral foundations of our democracy.

It is a recipe for political disaster that our system has largely brought on itself. First came the failures of omission. Our institutions and political system stood by during the last three decades as the economy made huge gains but most Americans benefited only a little or not at all. Both the bewildering array of new technologies and the rapid rise in international trade made us much richer than our parents’ generation, but also created massive dislocations, as millions of workers saw their jobs automated by machines or taken away by cheap imports or offshoring. The inaction of those with the power to make the gains shared more equally started chipping away at the foundations of a political system based on the belief that a rising tide should lift all boats.

Then came the failures of commission. It wasn’t news to anybody that large corporations and Wall Street, which had been pouring billions of dollars into political influence via lobbying and campaign finance, had an outsized voice in Washington. It nonetheless was jarring that in the midst of the severest recession since the Great Depression, the government sprang into action to save auto manufacturers and big banks (which were almost certainly the right moves to prevent the recession from metamorphosing into a depression), but did not deem it necessary to bring help to millions of households suffering joblessness, foreclosures, and debilitating uncertainty (which was as surely the wrong move both economically and, in hindsight, politically).

On top of all this came the Republican Party’s capitulation to Donald Trump. Building on the shoulders of other political sinners, who have similarly polarized society and debased the public discourse, Trump has managed to tear down the last vestiges of respect for American democratic institutions and an inclusive spirit in public life. He exploded the fissures of our economic, political, and social life with the curious force and strange attraction of his iconoclastic personality and the toxic energy of right-wing populist movements he courted.

We are now in the midst of the resulting whirlwind, which has been knocking down the unwritten laws of U.S. public life. The presidential campaign has seen Trump demonize his opponents, flaunt his rampant tax avoidance, make almost-overt calls to violent action, and relentlessly question the motives of institutions, such as the judiciary and the media, meant to keep unscrupulous businessmen and politicians, such as Trump himself, on the straight and narrow. He has declared that he would see his opponent jailed if elected. He has even pronounced that he may not recognize an electoral defeat. To top it off, Trump has trampled on the norms protecting the disadvantaged: women, ethnic minorities, religious minorities and the disabled. He has done all this — and still been accepted as a legitimate candidate by the Grand Old Party.

In Why Nations Fail, James Robinson and I argue that inclusive institutions have a lot of staying power. They come with inherent checks on power and an openness that makes it difficult for them to be hijacked. Trump, however, has brought us to the brink of destroying the two political norms on which this system of inclusivity depends. That Trump has demonstrated a flagrant disrespect for the law is clear. But he has also accepted, and even encouraged, the right of the powerful to bully the less powerful, and by doing so, has endangered the openness that has been so crucial to our political system’s long-term survival. How could we expect, without this openness, people to continue to make demands for justice from politicians and businessmen more powerful than themselves? Without these demands, how can our institutions continue to evolve to accommodate changing needs, rather than collapsing?

Perhaps unwittingly, Donald Trump has thus created a critical test for our political system. Can we survive him? Can we rebuild?

Complacency is dangerous: History is full of examples of the collapse of institutions that at one time appeared to be robust. The once-inclusive institutions of Venetian Republic were captured, in the early 14th century, by an oligarchy of the richest merchants, which no longer allowed others to have a say in the republic’s key decisions and used its increased political power to further enrich itself — a warning, perhaps, about the increasing dominance of the rich in American politics. The Roman Republic, too, self-destructed via a series of civil wars in the first century BC, in part because some members of the republic stopped respecting the political norms that had been so central to its survival: namely, respect for democracy. The widening gulf between the rich and poor, and the growing size and duration of the military campaigns of the late Roman Republic, led some Roman citizens to feel disempowered and receptive to the promises of would-be tyrants.

It is the Roman example, perhaps, that we have to watch out for most. The damage to the norms of respect for democracy and rule of law that Donald Trump has wrought and the incipient slide in the public’s trust in institutions will not be blotted out by a Clinton victory on Tuesday. But it’s equally important to not forget the pre-Trump sins of omission and commission by our political elites, the Democratic Party included. They also played a role in corroding public trust by giving the impression that the political system is incapable of identifying and responding to the problems of our age and that our leaders are less concerned about the plight of Americans at large than about campaign contributions and the interests of big businesses, unions, and other organized interests.

The test facing our inclusive institutions is a difficult one, but there is still no need to lurch from complacence to despair. The challenges faced by Abraham Lincoln’s Republican Party, the progressive movement, or Franklin Delano Roosevelt were no less severe, and the society in which they were situated was no less polarized. But they had one thing going for them. They started with a clearheaded diagnosis of the problems. Post-election, this must be our first step, too.

At the root of our problems is our inability to create shared prosperity and the unwillingness of the political system to discuss and tackle this problem. To equal our modern-day challenge, our institutions therefore need to show that they can make the gains from new technologies and trade more widely shared; build a much stronger and more rational social safety net; reform our tax and entitlement system; reduce the increasingly onerous red tape confronting small businesses; improve our badly failing educational system (if necessary over the objections of teachers unions); start investing in our long-neglected infrastructure; and at last, recognize some of the most debilitating problems facing our society’s most disadvantaged, including violence in our inner cities and mass incarceration in our prisons. All this needs to be done without further deepening the polarization that laid the tracks for Donald Trump’s rise. It’s a tall order, though not an impossible one. And it will require that American elites recognize that the battle to save American democracy won’t be over on Tuesday, regardless of the outcome of the vote.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#151771: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:20:46 AM

I wish there was at least some good news for America and the World but damnit there literally is none...

Shippudentimes Since: Dec, 2012
#151772: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:21:26 AM

[up]South Parks doing an episode where 'BILL CLINTON'' won this election.

edited 9th Nov '16 3:23:45 AM by Shippudentimes

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#151773: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:24:10 AM

@ Mad Skillz

I'm not white but at least I live in the liberal part of California. Never moving to any state now.

And what part is that?

@ Balmung

And since he's already 70 and the Presidency is a notoriously stressful job

Tell that to the Philippines. Their current president is 71.

Speaking of the Philippines, now that Trump won, will he call them a "terror country?"

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#151774: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:24:18 AM

[up][up][up]Well, there's some not-horrible news anyway, at least from where I'm standing. Because remember, you've always got to look on the bright side of life.

edited 9th Nov '16 3:24:46 AM by kkhohoho

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#151775: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:24:29 AM

I'm actually considering Canada. Things in the U.S. are about to get bad. At best, health care is going to be impossible for my family to afford. At worst, nuclear war will obliterate the city I live in. I'm not actually confident in my family's ability to survive a Trump Presidency here.

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