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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
... Chances of a military coup deposing Trump should he prove to be President Evil?
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
x11 Yeah no kidding. Trump wants to literally set up concentration camps and overturn Roe v Wade for starters and that's not even getting into the repeal of Obamacare, which many Americans rely on now. Probably kill food stamp programs, allow gay conversion camps, etc etc.
edited 9th Nov '16 1:53:47 AM by Memers
I cannot for the life of me believe this could have happened. I thought we were better than that.
The first is the filibuster - legislation and SCOTUS nominees can still (in theory) be held up in the Senate forever by the filibuster or the threat thereof, as while the GOP controls the Senate, they do NOT have a filibuster-proof majority of 60 seats. The second is that, even for the Supreme Court, overturning precedent is hard and they have to actually justify why the case they're now taking on is different enough from the previous precedent-establishing case to rule on the issue again, rather than just letting their previous precedent stand unchallenged.
The third, more personal check is that many Republicans do not like Donald Trump. This means that he may not have an easy time getting legislation he wants passed if even a handful of Republican Representatives or Senators stand against him. Now, on the flip side, I expect almost none of this in the other direction, as I foresee Trump more or less just rubber-stamping any Republican-passed legislation put before him.
So Steven Armstrong was right on one thing: America did go to shit.
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"Best" case scenario is that Republicans actually remove the filibuster so they can do what they want, and then get ABSOLUTELY FUCKED whenever the Democrats come back into power.
And it could happen. The Wall is going to be the next Iraq, and it's gonna be a doozy.
edited 9th Nov '16 1:58:08 AM by Eschaton
When it turns out that supposed legions of racist/phobic lynch mobs don't log off of reddit to take over America, Mad Max-style, I'll bring these thread pages back up so you can put things in perspective. It's not happening, folks. Chillax. Trump may be a pain in the ass, but a doomsday harbinger, he aint.
edited 9th Nov '16 2:02:35 AM by nervmeister
The filibuster in the senate will be a major check on Trump's power, for sure, provided that the GOP doesn't try the "nuclear option" (and there are many reasons why they'd be quite hesitant to use it) and much of the GOP absolutely hates Trump, including his primary rivals, many of whom find his policies utterly deplorable.
Plus, China and Russia will laugh, but Trump could bring down their economies along with the US's, especially if Trump makes good on his threat of a trade war with China - China utterly depends on the US for demand, and if that demand dries up due to a trade war, they're fucked. The Communist Party is probably freaking out behind the scenes.
edited 9th Nov '16 2:03:06 AM by Cronosonic
Clinton wasn't a bad candidate, scandals or not. Any Democratic candidate would have been covered in faked shit - remember, the press has a right to lie, the Supreme Court has said so.
I'd say Trump's victory is a result of the Democratic Party not being able to offer anything to the average white guy, and being ineffective at suppressing their votes while not crushing the voter suppression committed by the Republicans (see: Pennsylvania, North Carolina). Even if Trump isn't actually offering anything, he isn't publically dismissing them as idiots who don't know what they want. (Even though the latter is true, unless you can crush them you have to accommodate them.)
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Well, the accelerationists have been out in force this election. I'm not surprised in the least.
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I suppose we will be linked a poorly scripted 3 hour video how all of this isn't real?
edited 9th Nov '16 2:03:40 AM by Krieger22
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot![]()
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We're kinda in that situation already. But I understand, and an underlying part of me agrees. It depends how badly the Republicans want to push their own agenda. Some of them, I assume, are not stupid enough to be blind to the danger. Obviously, my confidence in that is not strong.
edited 9th Nov '16 2:04:20 AM by Eschaton

Trump won 58,242,196 to HRC's 57,786,965
A difference of 455231 votes. It was down to the wire.
edited 9th Nov '16 1:51:54 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised