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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#149501: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:09:49 PM

There's little reason to expect anyone to be punished for this, though. It's very rarely enforced, and it would definitely be big news if a celebrity got busted for it.

About voting as a candidate: if people wanted to ban candidates from voting, they'd be implicitly arguing that even though you're qualified to stand as a candidate you're not eligible to vote. It would be very weird to have the threshold for voting be higher than that for standing as a candidate.

The argument that banning candidates from voting would also disenfranchise them from the rest of the ticket is even better, though. It would be very wrong to say that because you're a candidate in one of the 15 items on your ballot you don't get a say on the other 14.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#149502: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:13:12 PM

Ah, update about the Philly thing - c.f. Clinton's email server.

All Is Well, Says The Philadelphia District Attorney

Philadelphia District Attorney Seth Williams said that despite widespread concerns about voter intimidation and voter fraud, today’s election in Philadelphia has been normal and without major incident.

“We have no founded complaints of intimidation, no founded complaints of voter fraud,” he said during an afternoon news conference. “We have no walking apocalypse of zombies voting all over town. We don’t have it.” The zombie quip is a reference to claims of voter fraud involving people who have died still “casting votes.”

Williams said that his office’s Election Fraud Task Force had received 69 calls as of 2 p.m., which is on par with the number of calls the task force has received the last three presidential elections. Among the calls received by the task force, there were:

13 complaints of electioneering Five calls about illegal assistance 15 calls about voter assistance 10 calls of machine problems

The task force deployed teams of investigators to look into more than 30 complaints today, but the dispositions of those complaints haven’t yet been released. Most of the calls received by the task force were associated with people going to the wrong polling place.

Williams’ assertions though that today is a normal Election Day doesn’t jibe with claims from Philadelphia GOP executive director Joe De Felice that “voter suppression, disenfranchisement and intimidation” is happening at polling places across Philadelphia. De Felice told Billy Penn that Republican poll inspectors were denied entry or thrown out of polling stations across the city. However, Assistant District Attorney Andrew Wellbrook said no one had called the task force’s hotline to complain about the issue since 8 a.m. this morning.

The district attorney also said he was aware that Twitter was abuzz about the activities of James O’Keefe, a conservative activist who tweeted that he was “in Philadelphia tailing a pastor’s bus that’s bussing people to the polls.” Williams emphasized that taking people to the polls isn’t illegal.

edited 8th Nov '16 1:13:56 PM by megarockman

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#149503: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:14:38 PM

It's a thing you often see at schools and such, it's not considered 'fair' for a candidate to vote for themself, they're meant to "be the bigger person" and vote for someone else. It's pure bullshit and is just done as a poor attempt to teach kids humility, but I remember when standing for college SU election checking that I could vote for myself.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#149504: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:16:13 PM

From 538:

All Is Well, Says The Philadelphia District Attorney Philadelphia District Attorney Seth Williams said that despite widespread concerns about voter intimidation and voter fraud, today’s election in Philadelphia has been normal and without major incident.

“We have no founded complaints of intimidation, no founded complaints of voter fraud,” he said during an afternoon news conference. “We have no walking apocalypse of zombies voting all over town. We don’t have it.” The zombie quip is a reference to claims of voter fraud involving people who have died still “casting votes.”

Williams said that his office’s Election Fraud Task Force had received 69 calls as of 2 p.m., which is on par with the number of calls the task force has received the last three presidential elections. Among the calls received by the task force, there were:

13 complaints of electioneering Five calls about illegal assistance 15 calls about voter assistance 10 calls of machine problems The task force deployed teams of investigators to look into more than 30 complaints today, but the dispositions of those complaints haven’t yet been released. Most of the calls received by the task force were associated with people going to the wrong polling place.

Williams’ assertions though that today is a normal Election Day doesn’t jibe with claims from Philadelphia GOP executive director Joe De Felice that “voter suppression, disenfranchisement and intimidation” is happening at polling places across Philadelphia. De Felice told Billy Penn that Republican poll inspectors were denied entry or thrown out of polling stations across the city. However, Assistant District Attorney Andrew Wellbrook said no one had called the task force’s hotline to complain about the issue since 8 a.m. this morning.

The district attorney also said he was aware that Twitter was abuzz about the activities of James O’Keefe, a conservative activist who tweeted that he was “in Philadelphia tailing a pastor’s bus that’s bussing people to the polls.” Williams emphasized that taking people to the polls isn’t illegal.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#149505: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:16:30 PM

I remember something like that with the Berenstein Bears and it made no sense to me even as a kid.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#149506: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:21:23 PM

Anyway I'm now on my way to the watching party I'll be at, gonna be in the lounge of a fancy hotel for the night. Drinking game idea, take a drink every time someone on the Republican side shouts fraud, see if you're sober come California.

edited 8th Nov '16 1:23:07 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#149507: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:27:20 PM

[up]Heh, I was gonna say "Are you sure you're sober now" before you edited that.

Honestly, I'd pass on that if only to make sure I don't require an ER visit by the time PA closes.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#149508: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:28:29 PM

So as I wait for the results here at the back-end of Europe, local portals seem to indicate Trump landslide of all things.

Are there any American polls/estimates indicating any kind of Trump victory? It's probably just alarmist or fake on my part here, but I'd rather make sure. <.<

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#149509: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:28:54 PM

Its probably a good thing I only have a 1/3rd of a bottle of Rye left...

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#149510: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:31:23 PM

[up][up] Most of the polls in America have given the edge to Hillary and given Trump comparatively low chances. Not impossible but the odds are stacked in HRC's favor.

FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#149512: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:33:38 PM

[up]x4 Of the sites with any sense of grounded-in-reality-ness, 538 has the best odds for Trump at 29%. Most other sites have stronger chances for Clinton. A Trump landslide is about as likely as a Hail Mary pass from the 50-yard line, I think.

edited 8th Nov '16 1:33:57 PM by megarockman

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#149513: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:35:00 PM

Yeah, the consensus among the pollsters seems to be a comfortable Clinton win. Not a landslide, but probably not a nail bitter in terms of E Vs. A Trump win (probably a very close one) is a possibility, but there's little to indicate that its particularly likely. A Trump landslide would require major polling errors, whereas a Clinton landslide would only require a simple polling error (~3%) in her favor.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#149514: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:35:04 PM

[up][up]

The President of Vulgaria, Donald Trump. . .

That's a new one to me[lol]

edited 8th Nov '16 1:35:13 PM by carbon-mantis

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#149516: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:40:57 PM

Just voted. Other than almost being mistaken for my father (we have the same name... kinda), nothing went wrong. Was going to spew all my anxiety here, but the first thing I saw was [up][up][up] that. So thank you for that. It honestly made me feel better.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#149517: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:42:17 PM

No one is saying that supporting Trump is a crime.
-blank expression-.....................You do know one can look over previous pages in this thread, right?

edited 8th Nov '16 1:42:44 PM by nervmeister

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#149518: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:43:06 PM

Trump is trying to claim that there is a problem with voting machines in Utah, but a guy sitting with CNN's irregularity pollsters refutes that. Is Trump losing in Utah?

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#149519: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:43:13 PM

Calling supporting Trump repugnant=/=calling it a crime.

[up]Hard to tell, though Mc Mullin's serge seemed to have stalled.

edited 8th Nov '16 1:43:39 PM by Rationalinsanity

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FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#149520: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:43:33 PM

Well, that is reassuring to hear. -oof-

So, assuming Hillary wins, what happens then? Trump has declared he won't be a good sport about losing and his followers have proven themselves as unstable. Can we have people rioting on the streets or worse?

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#149521: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:44:53 PM

I would say it's plausible yes but we'll have to see just how bad it gets when the time comes. I'm not a US citizen so I'm sure other US tropers would be better qualified to answer that.

Is Trump losing in Utah?

Wouldn't surprise me if he was. We've gone over how the largely mormon Utahns despise Trump. They may also dislike Hillary but I'd bet many of them despise Trump even more, hence Mc Mullin being as popular as he is there.

edited 8th Nov '16 1:46:15 PM by Draghinazzo

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#149522: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:45:01 PM

Re: #149507

If Trump's complaining, he's either losing or not doing as well as expected/hoped.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#149523: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:45:16 PM

[up]x3 I'm somewhat concerned myself. I do think there could be some violence, but I don't know if it will be widespread.

What does seem likely, however, is Trump teaming up with Breitbart to form his own media network. The man is obsessed with being the center of attention.

edited 8th Nov '16 1:45:33 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#149524: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:45:54 PM

The most I would reasonably worry about is scattered angry groups in low single digits - a riot a la LA 1992 that does not make.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#149525: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:48:24 PM

Any talk of a civil war is pure hyperbole, you'd need the armed forces to defect in sufficient amounts (with their gear and command and control capacity) for that to be a threat. And for all its faults, the US military to pretty decent at ensuring that outright mutiny isn't a problem.

Worst case scenario is that the militia wack jobs from the 90s get started again. That might get you some terror attacks, but a few guys with AR-15s and pick up trucks does not a civil war make in the 1st world.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

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