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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Some crimes say something about a person. This one says some things about him and they are pretty black.
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I will say that being from Ohio, that pisses me off. Honestly, though, I'm kind of numb to the whole thing at this point.
edited 6th Nov '16 2:08:46 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!Jesus Christ, come on, Ohio. There's already going to be enough Trumplings going around intimidating voters without you providing cover for them.
I mean, I live in a pretty progressive town in New York, and at this point even I'm going to be looking over my frickin' shoulder when I go to vote.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."I'm going to request that we can age-of-consent debates, because they come off as rather creepy.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"The above notwithstanding, a person who has served their sentence for a crime is no longer supposed to be considered a criminal and may participate in society again, no matter how heinous said crime was. That we do not appear to recognize this standard for sex-related crimes is rather hypocritical.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
Correct, but it is up to the voters to decide whether someone who has been convicted of a crime in the past is someone they want to represent them.
Wasn't asking you. I already figured on your answer. I'll give you this—you are consistent.
@Fighteer
Also I don't see why this guy should get a pass on sexual crimes but Trump doesn't. I think everyone in this thread, myself included, sees Trump's admission to committing sexual assault as a disqualifying factor. Well this guy didn't just admit to a sex crime he was convicted of it. That seems pretty disqualifying to me.
edited 6th Nov '16 2:31:22 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Well, I'm not sure about everyone in this thread....
But yeah, the Trump comparison is part of why I'm wary. Because it seems like although this guy may have positive policies, his misconduct and other outrageous personal details are being framed as "not a bug but a feature" as part of framing him as someone not beholden to the system. Sound familiar?
This is part of why I'm wary about defenses of Hilary Clinton framed in terms of the idea that it's not important for a politician to be personally likable as long as they have good policies. Because I think the better argument is that Clinton has good qualities. And conversely, at some point, bad personal qualities mean that someone is not going to make a good leader, regardless of how good their stated policies are.
edited 6th Nov '16 2:36:02 PM by Hodor2
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Well, Trump has not been convicted of any crime, so his behavior is, like this other fellow, up to the public to decide whether they approve of. We throw around the word "disqualifying" as if it has any meaning when it comes to this stuff. I would probably not vote for this mayoral candidate and I am not voting for Trump, but the reasons for the latter go well beyond his alleged sexual assaults and very public attitude towards women.
That whole attitude is so disgusting that I cannot rationally process it, even as I try to empathize with why someone might feel that way.
edited 6th Nov '16 2:39:07 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

I don't think when it becomes legal tends to stop substance abusers. Not given the sheer amount of parents who don't care when they're kids get wasted. Let alone the other avenues for it.