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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148851: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:51:19 PM

I don't think when it becomes legal tends to stop substance abusers. Not given the sheer amount of parents who don't care when they're kids get wasted. Let alone the other avenues for it.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#148852: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:59:31 PM

Heck, I'm nineteen, and I do find the idea of having sex with someone in their mid-twenties to be pretty unsettling. (Now, I'm not much interested in the idea of having sex with anybody, but still.) [up][up] I don't care if he stops screwing kids. I care that he has screwed a kid.
I understand. Everyone Has Standards. I wont begrudge you yours. As for me, I just think it's a bad idea to deny Richmond of someone who can and wants to help its more struggling citizens, due to bitterness over a past transgression which he already owned up to and faced the consequences for.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#148853: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:04:16 PM

Again I'm speaking from ignorance as to the race, but it seems to me that everyone running wants to help the people of Richmond- it's just that this guy is the only one of the contenders who was convicted of statutory rape and possibly sexually harassed another staffer.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#148854: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:05:45 PM

@post #148755

At Trump's behest, Ohio appeals court strikes down anti-voter intimidation rules days before the election.
... How the fuck did this not get any discussion here after it was posted?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#148855: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:06:47 PM

Because the other topic. And to be honest, endlessly talking about the presidential election becomes stale after a while.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#148856: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:07:48 PM

Can we agree (or agree to disagree) that age of consent and age differences in relationships is controversial and move on?

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#148857: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:08:06 PM

I missed it. I'm horrified that they gave in to him. This doesn't bode well.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148858: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:08:23 PM

As for me, I just think it's a bad idea to deny Richmond of someone who can and wants to help its more struggling citizens, due to bitterness over a past transgression which he already owned up to and faced the consequences for.

Some crimes say something about a person. This one says some things about him and they are pretty black.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#148859: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:08:33 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] I will say that being from Ohio, that pisses me off. Honestly, though, I'm kind of numb to the whole thing at this point.

edited 6th Nov '16 2:08:46 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#148860: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:09:46 PM

Yeah, that is pretty bad. I'm not even understanding Trump's complaint or why it should be factored in.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#148861: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:11:04 PM

Jesus Christ, come on, Ohio. There's already going to be enough Trumplings going around intimidating voters without you providing cover for them.

I mean, I live in a pretty progressive town in New York, and at this point even I'm going to be looking over my frickin' shoulder when I go to vote.

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Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#148862: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:14:24 PM

I'm going to request that we can age-of-consent debates, because they come off as rather creepy.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#148863: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:15:54 PM

The above notwithstanding, a person who has served their sentence for a crime is no longer supposed to be considered a criminal and may participate in society again, no matter how heinous said crime was. That we do not appear to recognize this standard for sex-related crimes is rather hypocritical.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148864: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:21:21 PM

That someone should be allowed to rejoin society doesn't necessarily mean we should be willing to vote for them though. I mean, to use a non-sex related example, would you be prepared to vote for someone who'd served time for murder?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#148865: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:22:22 PM

That would probably depend on the circumstances before and after, honestly.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#148866: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:26:16 PM

[up][up] Correct, but it is up to the voters to decide whether someone who has been convicted of a crime in the past is someone they want to represent them.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148867: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:26:56 PM

[up]...I don't think any of us are disputing that. We're saying we wouldn't vote for him and that there are probably many equally great candidates for office out there who haven't been convicted of statutory rape.

edited 6th Nov '16 2:27:55 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#148868: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:26:57 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]If he had a good plan and was competent at the job, then yes.

edited 6th Nov '16 2:27:25 PM by nervmeister

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148869: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:29:47 PM

[up]Wasn't asking you. I already figured on your answer. I'll give you this—you are consistent.

@Fighteer

Also I don't see why this guy should get a pass on sexual crimes but Trump doesn't. I think everyone in this thread, myself included, sees Trump's admission to committing sexual assault as a disqualifying factor. Well this guy didn't just admit to a sex crime he was convicted of it. That seems pretty disqualifying to me.

edited 6th Nov '16 2:31:22 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#148870: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:32:42 PM

Well, I'm not sure about everyone in this thread....

But yeah, the Trump comparison is part of why I'm wary. Because it seems like although this guy may have positive policies, his misconduct and other outrageous personal details are being framed as "not a bug but a feature" as part of framing him as someone not beholden to the system. Sound familiar?

This is part of why I'm wary about defenses of Hilary Clinton framed in terms of the idea that it's not important for a politician to be personally likable as long as they have good policies. Because I think the better argument is that Clinton has good qualities. And conversely, at some point, bad personal qualities mean that someone is not going to make a good leader, regardless of how good their stated policies are.

edited 6th Nov '16 2:36:02 PM by Hodor2

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#148871: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:33:16 PM

[up][up]Well, Trump has not been convicted of any crime, so his behavior is, like this other fellow, up to the public to decide whether they approve of. We throw around the word "disqualifying" as if it has any meaning when it comes to this stuff. I would probably not vote for this mayoral candidate and I am not voting for Trump, but the reasons for the latter go well beyond his alleged sexual assaults and very public attitude towards women.

[up] That whole attitude is so disgusting that I cannot rationally process it, even as I try to empathize with why someone might feel that way.

edited 6th Nov '16 2:39:07 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#148872: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:34:08 PM

Well, Trump has a mile additional reasons for not being an acceptable candidate. Among other things, a lot more targets...

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#148873: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:35:05 PM

He got convicted, Trump didn't.

Inter arma enim silent leges
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148874: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:35:24 PM

[up][up][up]I can't process it either. The man's been repeatedly accused of sexual harassment and physical assault and has a conviction for statutory rape. And people think this is somehow a good thing...?

[up]That seems like more of a reason to not vote for him.

edited 6th Nov '16 2:35:45 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#148875: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:40:30 PM

Soo...in other news, Lebron James campaigned with Hillary today.

Just thought ya'll might want to know

New Survey coming this weekend!

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