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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148776: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:36:17 PM

[up][up]The "ick" factor as you call it exists for a reason. Mature adults preying on teenagers is not something I think we want to condone as a society.

[up]I don't care if he thought it was legal. She was a teenager. He hadn't been for a couple of decades. You don't do that.

As for her marrying him, it's not exactly uncommon for predators to marry the final victim they got caught with—or for the victim, who has been taught by the predator to normalize the behaviour, to accept.

edited 6th Nov '16 12:39:08 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#148777: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:37:12 PM

(Technically, 18 is the age of consent in Virginia, if memory serves. Legal age has nothing to do with this, age of consent does.)

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#148778: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:37:34 PM

Yet, girls lying about their age ISN'T?

Sorry Ambar, there's literally LITERALLY no justification you can make for that shit.

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#148779: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:38:23 PM

BBC are reporting the FBI have found no evidence of criminality in the latest emails.

[up] Who said the girl wasn't also ick? Not everyone is comfortable with older men who pursue 18 year olds.

edited 6th Nov '16 12:39:48 PM by Silasw

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#148780: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:38:49 PM

[up][up][up][up]Would you say the same thing if she was say 21? I know she wasn't, but I'm curious. If we're at the point we're we agree that both parties are of sound mind to consent in general, it's kind of hard to justify "But not if one party is this much older than the other".

Anyway, looking at the summary of the guy's law career and arrests on Wikipedia (which to be fair, is Wikipedia) it doesn't seem like he's that decent a man even without this.

edited 6th Nov '16 12:40:29 PM by LSBK

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#148782: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:39:38 PM

Getting some notifications that Comey has announced that new findings have not changed his original statement that Clinton should not face charges.

"FBI tells Congress it has not changed conclusion on Clinton emails" - http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN131112

So this whole mess has officially been for nothing.

EDIT: [nja]

edited 6th Nov '16 12:41:55 PM by sgamer82

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148783: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:41:05 PM

Yet, girls lying about their age ISN'T?

Sorry Ambar, there's literally LITERALLY no justification you can make for that shit.

What are you trying to say here? That girls shouldn't lie about their ages? Sure, but no grown man should really be in a position where he's having to ask the age of the girl he's coming onto. Seriously, if you can't tell, don't do it.

I've seen the pictures of her. She barely looks like an adult now. This wasn't a case of her looking twenty-five.

@LSBK

The older the girl, the less creepy it is. That doesn't mean that it wouldn't still be creepy for him to come onto a twenty-one year old, but coming onto an eighteen year old is still worse. Your brain doesn't actually finish developing until you're in your mid-twenties—and to hit on a girl who is one year removed from the age of consent is just shudder-worthy, especially when you're her goddamn boss. I mean, there's a hell of a power dynamic.

edited 6th Nov '16 12:43:30 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#148784: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:43:23 PM

I dunno. This article makes a tempting case for him being a great mayor.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148785: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:44:09 PM

I love the title. "Anti-establishment Joe". Yeah, he's so anti-establishment he refuses to obey the law. Including the ones about not screwing teenagers.

edited 6th Nov '16 12:45:58 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#148786: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:44:32 PM

Wonder if the FBI's latest email flop will affect polls in the last moment.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#148787: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:46:35 PM

Hold up, are we really arguing that no guy should ever have to ask the age of a potential sexual partner? Suppose it's not a 50 year old man. What if he's early 20s. Is it a valid question then? Should he just accept that the girl in question is 18? What if she isn't 18 and looks old for her age? What if she is and looks young?

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#148788: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:48:15 PM

[up] Exactly.

Our statutory rape laws are ass backwards and are full of more logical holes than swiss cheese.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148789: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:48:40 PM

[up][up][up]Doubt it. Everyone who wanted to hear she's a crook has already heard it.

[up][up]Read the post you're responding to again before you ask a bunch of leading questions like that. This girl did not look older than her age. She barely looks legal now.

As for the rest, we're not talking about hypotheticals. The guy is in his fifties, she was not of age, and she looked like she was not of age.

Our statutory rape laws are ass backwards and are full of more logical holes than swiss cheese.

Backwards? How? Because they don't protect adults from those manipulative teenagers?

edited 6th Nov '16 12:51:56 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Mr.Didact Keep Hope Alive from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Naked on a bearskin rug, playing the saxophone
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#148790: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:50:01 PM

Preying on employees is definitely a bad thing but the age of consent is the age of consent. Should we raise the age of consent to mid-twenties instead? It seems to me that its kind of a slippery slope when it comes to regulating behavior we deem "icky" that's not outright criminal.

I know people older than me that look like they're younger, and I'm barely out of high school. Would it be wrong if I wanted to pursue a relationship with said people?

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#148791: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:51:06 PM

We're not talking about the legal factors (where I belive being lied to isn't even a defence in some places, it's who porn ID checks like mad), we're talking about the moral factors, where what's relevance is the power imbalance that commonly exists over such a vast age differential.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#148792: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:52:14 PM

The half your age plus seven thing seems like a pretty good rule of thumb but good luck getting something like that put into law. That's not even getting into the relative maturity of people. It's not like turning 18 imbues a person with some method of recognizing potentially manipulative behavior.

[up][up][up]This is what I'm replying to "Sure, but no grown man should really be in a position where he's having to ask the age of the girl he's coming onto. Seriously, if you can't tell, don't do it."

What are we defining as grown man here? I take that statement to mean someone who's legally an adult. That could be anyone from a college kid in his early twenties to a fifty year old man. Saying a blanket statement like "You should never question the age of a potentially sexual partner" seems kind of ridiculous.

edited 6th Nov '16 12:55:09 PM by Kostya

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#148793: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:52:46 PM

I love the title. "Anti-establishment Joe". Yeah, he's so anti-establishment he refuses to obey the law. Including the ones about not screwing teenagers.
But he has a good record helping the disadvantaged and challenging the status quo. So, he's a legitimately solid choice.

FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#148794: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:53:11 PM
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148795: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:54:12 PM

@Mr. Didact

Bull. Behaviour doesn't have to be illegal to be morally vile. Or are you going to say that nobody should ever factor Newt Gingrich giving his first wife divorce papers while she recovered from chemo into their opinion of him? It's legal—but it ain't right.

This guy preyed on a teenage girl. Even if it was legal, it would be wrong on so many different levels, and would say some very bad things about him. A guy who wants that kind of power imbalance in his relationship is not a guy I want to give actual power to. And of course it wasn't legal.

[up][up]How? By screwing their daughters? There are lots of people with good records on helping the disadvantaged. Most of them don't have a statutory rape bust.

edited 6th Nov '16 12:56:10 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#148796: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:58:32 PM

[up]Well I dont see any of em' in this year's election. So, given the options, he's a good candidate.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148797: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:00:25 PM

He should never have been the candidate and the fact that he is, is a travesty.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#148798: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:02:04 PM

[up]I hate to tell you this, but plenty of people throughout history who've changed things for the better weren't exactly squeakly clean in their private lives.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#148799: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:04:55 PM

There's a difference between "squeaky clean" and being a literal sex offender.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148800: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:05:11 PM

[up][up]And prior to the era of liberal democracy most of those people either inherited their positions or were appointed by people who had, leaving us stuck with them. We have choice now, and we can hold people to a higher standard.

If you are prepared to vote for a convicted statutory rapist, that's fine. I'm not.

edited 6th Nov '16 1:05:21 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar


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