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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#148751: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:00:57 AM

To reiterate a point I made on the last page with an edit, while Clinton had more Superdelegates in '08 than Obama did, it was nowhere near the same amount - she led Obama 169 - 63 (~2.5:1 ratio), while she led Sanders 359 - 8 (45:1 ratio). That's a hell of a detriment to overcome for Sanders right out of the starting gate without a single ballot being cast.
I'm not sure what your point is. The popular vote in 2008 was also a hell of a lot closer than it was in 2016. In 2016, Clinton beat Sanders by four million votes, or a margin of 12%. In 2008, Clinton beat Obama by 300,000 votes, or less than 1%. Why should we be surprised that Clinton also had a greater margin of unpledged delegates in 2016 when she clearly had more support in general?

edited 6th Nov '16 11:01:30 AM by NativeJovian

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storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#148752: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:04:29 AM

You might as well argue that politicians shouldn't be allowed to endorse candidates. Is the fact that Hillary had a record number of endorsements a sign that the primary was "rigged" or just that people thought she was a good candidate?

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#148753: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:05:15 AM

Could you even imagine the shitstorm if Sanders won the popular vote but lost the delegates, even if it was a razor thin margin?

Fuck me.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#148754: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:20:36 AM

His campaign doesn't trust him with his twitter account, yet we should give this man access to the deadliest weapons ever crafted by man?
I think the "go-ahead" to launch nukes requires more steps to be taken involving more than just one grumpy old man.

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#148755: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:24:47 AM

Not really. If the President says "NUKE NOW," it's assumed they're saying that for a very good reason and that there's not much room for doubt.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#148756: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:29:09 AM

Nope. A nuclear first strike needs two people to sign off on it, one is the President and the other is another politician who has to be confirmed by Congress.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148757: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:36:56 AM

RE: Rigging at the DNC

Find me a better system. I can safely assure you that where I live it's far less Democratic with "the people" getting effectively no say.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#148758: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:52:13 AM

... Say, how would Trump's supporters react if Trump had a heart attack from sheer rage at losing to Clinton?

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#148759: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:54:04 AM

Blame it on Clinton and the Democrats of course

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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#148760: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:58:03 AM

[up]x4 — In one of Tom Clancy's novels, Jack Ryan was serving as interim Vice-President (after the original Veep resigned due to a scandal.) There was a terrorist attack, and the President wanted to nuke a city in the Middle East in retaliation.

Ryan refused to confirm the order because, in his estimation, the Prez was angry and stressed out and not thinking clearly. The Prez tried to bully Ryan into confirming the launch order, but Ryan was having none of it. "Do you really want to kill ten thousand people, just because your pride has been wounded? Do you??"

This Space Intentionally Left Blank.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#148762: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:03:23 PM

Giving a second chance? I mean, in most of the western world such a relationship is legal but socially acceptable it usually isn't.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#148763: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:04:07 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] Ah yes, the classic "the system we have now is the best we have, ergo we shouldn't bother with changing it".

The fact that we have some shambles of a democracy compared to how other countries have no real democracy at all doesn't excuse our own failures. It's the "starving African children" argument of political discourse. No, we don't have the worst, but we sure as hell don't have the best. And there are plenty of propositions for alt systems. CGP Grey has a rather good video about one such potential option. I can't possibly see how anyone can look at the current results of this election and honestly say that American democracy is in a quality, well made functioning state when the only thing keeping voting turnout from becoming an absolute shitshow is how much voters absolutely hate the opposing candidate.

edited 6th Nov '16 12:04:35 PM by InAnOdderWay

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#148764: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:05:45 PM

After training, U.S. militias gird for trouble as presidential election nears

JACKSON, GEORGIA – Down a Georgia country road, camouflaged members of the Three Percent Security Force have mobilized for rifle practice, hand-to-hand combat training — and an impromptu campaign rally for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump.

“How many people are voting for Trump? Ooh-rah!” asks Chris Hill, a paralegal who goes by the code name “Bloodagent.”

“Ooh-rah!” shout a dozen militia members in response, as morning sunlight sifted through the trees late last month.

As the most divisive presidential election in recent memory nears its conclusion, some armed militia groups are preparing for the possibility of a stolen election on Tuesday and civil unrest in the days following a victory by Democrat Hillary Clinton.

They say they won’t fire the first shot, but they’re not planning to leave their guns at home, either.

Trump’s populist campaign has energized militia members like Hill, who admire the Republican mogul’s promise to deport illegal immigrants, stop Muslims from entering the country and build a wall along the Mexico border. Trump has repeatedly warned that the election may be “rigged,” and has said he may not respect the results if he does not win. At least one paramilitary group, the Oath Keepers, has called on members to monitor voting sites for signs of fraud

Armed paramilitary groups first gained prominence in the early 1990s, fueled by confrontations in Ruby Ridge, Idaho and Waco, Texas, culminating in a militia sympathizer’s 1995 bombing of a federal office building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people.

Their numbers dwindled following that attack but have spiked in recent years, driven by fears that President Barack Obama will threaten gun ownership and erode the power of local government. The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist groups, estimates there were 276 active militias last year, up from 42 in 2008.

In recent years, armed groups have confronted federal authorities in a series of land-use disputes in the U.S. West. Federal officials fear more clashes could come after seven militants were acquitted on conspiracy charges for occupying a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon.

Many fear Clinton will push the county further to the left.

“This is the last chance to save America from ruin,” Hill said. “I’m surprised I was able to survive or suffer through eight years of Obama without literally going insane, but Hillary is going to be more of the same.”

The Oath Keepers, a prominent anti-government force that sent gun-toting members to the 2014 race riots in Ferguson, Missouri, called on members late last month to monitor voting sites on Election Day for any signs of fraud.

An hour south of Atlanta, the Three Percent Security Force started the day around the campfire, taking turns shooting automatic pistols and rifles at a makeshift target range. They whooped with approval when blasts from one member’s high-powered rifle knocked down a tree.

The group operates independently, but is affiliated with a national armed movement that calls for members to defend individual rights in the face of what they see as an overreaching federal government. The movement draws its name from the notion that no more than 3 percent of the American population fought in the Revolutionary War against Britain.

Amid the war games, Hill weighed plans for a possible armed march on Washington if Clinton wins.

He said he does not want his members leading the way, but they will defend the protesters if need be. His group will not hesitate to act if a President Clinton tries to disarm gun owners, he said.

“I will be there to render assistance to my fellow countrymen, and prevent them from being disarmed, and I will fight and I will kill and I may die in the process,” said Hill, who founded the militia several years ago.

Trump’s candidacy has emboldened extremist groups to speak more openly about challenging the rule of law, said Ryan Lenz, a researcher at the Southern Poverty Law Center.

“Prior to this campaign season, these ideas were relegated to sort of the political fringe of the American political landscape,” he said. “Now these ideas are legitimized.”

Over the past two weeks, some prominent Trump supporters have hinted at violence.

“If Trump loses, I’m grabbing my musket,” former Illinois Rep. Joe Walsh wrote on Twitter last week. Conservative commentator Wayne Root fantasized about Clinton’s death while speaking at a Trump rally in Las Vegas on Oct. 30.

Back in Georgia, the Three Percent Security Force wrapped up rifle practice in the midday sun. They then headed further into the trees to tackle an obstacle course with loaded pistols at their sides, ready for whatever may come.

“We’ve building up for this, just like the marines,” he said. “We are going to really train harder and try to increase our operational capabilities in the event that this is the day that we hoped would never come.”

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#148765: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:07:10 PM

[up][up][up][up]Scandals aside, how good is he at running things and what are his more consistent stances on the issues?

carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148767: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:21:47 PM

[up][up]I don't care what his stances are. Man's a statutory rapist.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#148768: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:24:28 PM

Unless it's true that the girl lied about her age, which is possible, but surely sounds convenient...

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#148769: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:25:26 PM

That seems like one of those things that would be incredibly hard to prove.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#148770: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:25:48 PM

If the girl lied about her age and he genuinely didn't know, I can forgive him. Otherwise, toss him to the wolves.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148771: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:26:38 PM

Even if she did, I'd never vote for a grown man who likes to creep on teenagers. That is a bridge too far. I sincerely don't care if he "thought she was 18" or what have you. You're a man in your fifties. It's still totally unacceptable—even more so given the girl was an employee.

edited 6th Nov '16 12:28:30 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#148772: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:31:17 PM

[up]Even if he significantly relieves Richmond's poverty crisis?

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148773: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:34:19 PM

Why should I believe anything coming from a man who likes to prey on teenage girls?

I'm all for giving criminals second chances if their acts were motivated by desperation, or immaturity. A man his age screwing a teenager? That's neither. I wouldn't hire him to wash my car, let alone vote for him. No matter how great he might be at his job—and I have no real reason to think he is—there is probably an equally capable candidate out there who doesn't bang teenagers.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#148774: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:34:38 PM

[up][up][up]This is always a gray area to me. Besides the fact that he had influence as her employer, I'm not sure how much of the rest is grounded in something besides "ick factor" and I don't mean specifically you, but people in general.

edited 6th Nov '16 12:35:05 PM by LSBK

Mr.Didact Keep Hope Alive from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Naked on a bearskin rug, playing the saxophone
Keep Hope Alive
#148775: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:36:01 PM

Reading the article, his behavior was sleazy for all number of reasons but eighteen is the legal age, if she actually did lie about her age then that's not really something I can call him out on. Dating an employee and boasting about it to a friend, yes I can condemn that but not having a relationship with someone you thought was a legal adult. She married the guy so it's kind of murky for me.

Hell most of the states and the western world have the age of consent at sixteen.

edited 6th Nov '16 12:37:24 PM by Mr.Didact

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