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XanderCrews Since: Oct, 2010
#148701: Nov 5th 2016 at 8:43:53 PM

Check out this footage right before the kerfuffle of Trump calling the protester out. The crowd quickly turned violent on him.

edited 5th Nov '16 8:44:17 PM by XanderCrews

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#148702: Nov 5th 2016 at 8:52:45 PM

@LSBK

Heh. Some of those puns were really clever.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#148703: Nov 5th 2016 at 9:58:56 PM

I thought that "cuck" was just shorthand for "Cuckold", like a cheating spouse.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#148704: Nov 5th 2016 at 10:00:10 PM

So has it been discussed yet that Wiki Leaks released an email about Clinton supposedly keeping someone from a Clinton Foundation associate from being arrested on charges of child trafficking?

edited 5th Nov '16 10:00:22 PM by theLibrarian

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#148705: Nov 5th 2016 at 10:02:53 PM

Cuckoldry as origin: Yes, with emphasis on cuckold porn featuring a black man satisfying a white woman in ways her white husband cannot.

Wikileaks: Link to the entire transcript or it's a non-starter.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#148706: Nov 5th 2016 at 10:12:58 PM

[up][up] Keep in mind Wikileaks is far from reliable. They are nothing but an arm of the Russian Propaganda Outreach, and Assange himself has been featured on some very conspiratorial shows. They cannot be trusted with any of this, as has been demonstrated by the multiple times they released stuff the Russians made up on the fly.

Would you consider Goebbels' newspaper Der Sturmer releasing a headline about FDR enabling sex trafficking to be reputable?

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#148708: Nov 5th 2016 at 11:33:12 PM

I'm now slightly terrified about the prospect of faithless electors not voting for Hillary if she wins the state, which causes her to lose. I mean, in WA it's a shoo-in that she wins and there are at least another 10 electors, but it's a prospect that makes me furious.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#148709: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:53:20 AM

You'd need a lot more than just two or three doing it, though, and the subsequent populist fury would probably make it not worth it. That's straight up subverting democracy. If anything, such an action would hasten the demise of the Electoral College.

Mr.Didact Keep Hope Alive from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Naked on a bearskin rug, playing the saxophone
Keep Hope Alive
#148710: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:03:09 AM

The Electoral College is an antiquated system and we should have gotten rid of it years ago, it makes no sense to me why its still around.

Stand Fast, Stand Strong, Stand Together
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#148711: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:04:08 AM

[up][up]Not necessarily. If Trump wins by faithless elector, can you imagine him giving a shit about populist outrage?

Remember, the US government and the political process have no actual legitimacy in the eyes of Trump and his supporters - that's why we're seeing all of this break loose.

edited 6th Nov '16 1:06:58 AM by Ramidel

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#148712: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:02:44 AM

If electors declare their intention to be faithless ahead of time you could see rapid law changes to up the punishment for being faithless (assuming that the faithlessness would matter), then leaving them with a choice of either backing down or following though and maybe going to jail.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#148713: Nov 6th 2016 at 6:14:34 AM

The superdelegate BS in the primaries is also a thing. "My state supports Sanders, but I won't because fuck the democratic process!"

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#148714: Nov 6th 2016 at 6:21:07 AM

[up] Which just makes the faithless electors a couple of hypocrites. Unless their plan is to go back to HRC at the last minute and say "NOW do you see why super delegates are bullshit?"

edited 6th Nov '16 6:21:15 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#148715: Nov 6th 2016 at 6:25:59 AM

Super delegates have a purpose; keeping people like Trump from high jacking a party.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#148717: Nov 6th 2016 at 6:34:58 AM

They also do not exist in the GOP so that argument doesn't work. And the unpledged delegates which do ended up merely validating Trump's claims of the primary being rigged against him.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#148718: Nov 6th 2016 at 6:44:10 AM

It's also worth pointing out that the DNC and RNC are private organizations. They can make the rules whatever they want. The Electoral College is a government run group so the penalties for going against the will of the people fall under the government.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#148719: Nov 6th 2016 at 6:44:28 AM

[up] You just know that ever since the primaries, Paul Ryan has been thinking "dammit, why didn't we have super delegates?"

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#148720: Nov 6th 2016 at 6:47:19 AM

If Trump loses, I think that the GOP is going to install super delegates (or some other elitist safeguard) to prevent insurgent candidates from becoming a chronic problem.

And more power to them if they do that, these mavericks only do a ton of damage. If the far-right and the far-left want power then they should get their own parties, letting them take over established parties gives them a louder voice than they would normally have.

P.S.: I'm not lumping Sanders himself in with this crowd.

edited 6th Nov '16 7:27:57 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#148721: Nov 6th 2016 at 7:16:28 AM

Unless their plan is to go back to HRC at the last minute and say "NOW do you see why super delegates are bullshit?"

That wouldn't even justify or make it make sense. It's not like HRC invented super delegates or bribed them all to vote for her.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#148722: Nov 6th 2016 at 7:26:13 AM

[up] People have pinned blame on HRC for less rational reasons.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#148723: Nov 6th 2016 at 7:30:00 AM

Sanders lost even without Super Delegates. These people are just whining.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#148724: Nov 6th 2016 at 7:33:40 AM

Sanders lost by every measurement method you could have used, except for "ignore the results."

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#148725: Nov 6th 2016 at 7:34:01 AM

Sanders lost on more than super delegates, but it is blatantly obvious that the DNC wanted Hilary to win from the start. Can they do that? Sure. But because the way our system works (allowing for two parties and basically shit else), it's really an abuse of the democratic procees.

Not that the RNC don't have their own issues in that, or that there shouldn't be safeguards like that, but understand that the DNC/RNC don't just run the game, they are the game, and if they have a disproportionate influence on their own prinaries then thy have a disproportionate influence on the presidential race and by proxy the American democratic system.


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