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LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#148651: Nov 5th 2016 at 3:17:01 PM

WA Electoral College voter will not vote for Clinton even if she wins

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#148652: Nov 5th 2016 at 3:31:07 PM

The thing about faithless electors is that there's only one time they've actually made a difference- and that was the entirety of Virginia going faithless. And even that didn't ultimately change the outcome.

It's also worth noting that they've been some grumblings about GOP electors going faithless, and that this guy doesn't seem likely to vote for Trump either.

Psyclone Since: Jan, 2001
#148653: Nov 5th 2016 at 3:47:59 PM

1 Washington state Democratic elector won’t support Clinton, another won’t commit

He said he’s heard from a few other national Democratic electors who are considering joining him.

God fucking damnit WHY ARE THESE IDIOTS PLAYING WITH THE FATE OF FUCKING HUMAN CIVILIZATION?

edited 5th Nov '16 3:48:45 PM by Psyclone

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#148654: Nov 5th 2016 at 3:48:12 PM

The Electoral College is still stupid. Y'all only keepin' it around on the grounds of si non confectus, non reficiat.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#148655: Nov 5th 2016 at 3:59:43 PM

[up][up]

"I hope it comes down to a swing vote and it’s me,” he said. “Good. She ain’t getting it. Maybe it’ll wake this country up.”

"I hope I get to be the one to allow the rise of the Fourth Reich, just because I wanted to be a spoiled pissant."

edited 5th Nov '16 4:00:17 PM by Lennik

That's right, boys. Mondo cool.
Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#148656: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:02:14 PM

Goddammit, and that's my state. I didn't even know the electoral college could do that, and I already thought it was a bad system. Now I'm absolutely livid.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#148657: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:07:00 PM

I suppose the irony of these guys trying to subvert democracy is lost on them.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#148658: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:10:45 PM

[up][up][up]At least this time it's not up to Congress. Or to the opinion of some mouthy adulterous former Secretary of Treasury.

Over the course of seven days, from February 11 to 17, the House cast a total of 35 ballots, with Jefferson receiving the votes of eight state delegations each time—one short of the necessary majority of nine. During the contest, Hamilton recommended to Federalists that they support Jefferson because he was "by far not so dangerous a man" as Burr; in short, he would much rather have someone with wrong principles than someone devoid of any.[7] Hamilton embarked on a frenzied letter-writing campaign to get delegates to switch votes.[10]

edited 5th Nov '16 4:11:34 PM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#148659: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:17:41 PM

When did this photo happen? And is it even real? And why does it feel so rapey and wrong?

Sadly, it is real. I suppose because nobody will let Trump kiss babies.

IMO, any US flags that Trump has kissed and hugged ought to be decently disposed of, because he's tainted them with his phony displays of "patriotism."

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randomdude4 Since: May, 2011
#148660: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:22:08 PM

I mean this as a legitimate question, because thinking back on it I don't think he has, but have we ever heard Donald Trump say that he loves the United States for any reason beyond what it does for him alone, regardless of whether or not he means it? The man puts up the biggest facade of patriotism I've ever seen, and it's a real shame people buy into it.

edited 5th Nov '16 4:23:24 PM by randomdude4

"Can't make an omelette without breaking some children." -Bur
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#148661: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:22:49 PM

Bear in mind, the electors won't have to cast their votes until well after Election Day. So if Trump and Clinton end up within one or two pledged electoral votes of each other, an elector who has said they won't vote for their pledged candidate will have plenty of time to change their mind after seeing how much is at stake. But if Clinton wins by a dozen or more electoral votes, then one or two electors can decide to go faithless as a symbolic, protest vote without actually affecting the outcome.

Psyclone Since: Jan, 2001
#148662: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:25:17 PM

I just think that there is SO MUCH bullshit (voter intimidation, threat of Russian hackers, FBI coup, now fucking this) being thrown at the sane alternative to a guy who might potentially usher in a new Dark Age that it's really making me anxious.

edited 5th Nov '16 4:27:59 PM by Psyclone

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#148663: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:31:07 PM

I don't think it's irony. It fits in with the founders being wary of mob rule; likewise we didn't used to have direct election of senators. It's state law, not the Constitution, that binds them to vote for a candidate and in theory they're the last bulwark against a demagogue rising through the popular vote *cough*. It was through the mid to late 1800s that people started clamoring for (and got) more direct democracy.

It will take a severe breakdown to spur people into action reforming the electoral college though. A popular/electoral vote disparity alone obviously isn't sufficient because we've had it happen twice in 260+ years.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#148664: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:33:58 PM

[up]It's ironic because they're likely of the brand that think that Sanders was "cheated" out of the nomination, so as protest, plan to go against the popular will of the state and likely the country. Or at least one of them is.

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#148665: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:45:11 PM

If you're interested, the comedic political mockumentary Bob Roberts, about a "Celebrity-turned-Republican Politician from Hell" is showing in a chat room used by Tropers right about now. (Technically it starts at 8 PM Eastern, which is real soon, but anyone can jump in and join)

So if anyone's in the mood to check it out, it's at http://cytu.be/r/TroperCoven - and you can join and leave at any time, so no need to commit. We can see the movie that predicted the Trump phenom before it happened for real! 😩 It could be fun, or it could be horrifying!

After the movie, we have a bunch of political-themed videos lined up as well.

(Note: you may need a simple browser script to see the movie when it starts. But it takes like only a few seconds to install; just follow instructions in the link at the top of the page)

edited 5th Nov '16 4:54:52 PM by BonsaiForest

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#148666: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:53:55 PM

Oh cool! Thanks for letting us know.

I know we've moved past post election songs, but if Trump wins, as a Canadian I'll probably be playing this:

I mean, I wouldn't actually advocate burning the White House down...

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#148667: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:56:25 PM

Np, Pseudopartition! Stop on in and feel free to chat! You'll have to install a simple browser script/addon to be able to display the movie, but it's no big deal.

BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#148668: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:58:19 PM

The first couple of minutes of this video - more specifically, what John Oliver says - reflects very closely what I'll be feeling if Trump wins. (Obviously you have to substitute references to the UK with the US.)

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#148669: Nov 5th 2016 at 5:05:48 PM

Wow. The movie started and the guy is performing country music, singing a liberal-bashing song. And people are calling him "the leader of a generation" and "a man of the people".

He's like the super-Trump or something.

Anyway, last call - anyone can join (the movie ends in ~100 minutes) at http://cytu.be/r/TroperCoven if the want to watch this mockumentary of a Trump-esque asshole's rise to power.

A little, uh, light "entertainment" before the real thing... ends up not happening. [lol]

Reminder: download the plugin at the link listed on the site or the video may not display.

edited 5th Nov '16 5:09:04 PM by BonsaiForest

Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#148670: Nov 5th 2016 at 5:08:39 PM

Psyclone: Well, a politician has to know how to handle anything that is thrown at them, whether it's true or not and come out on top. Trump also had to deal with the groping women video (and somehow it didn't affect his campaign either).

edited 5th Nov '16 5:09:19 PM by Grafite

Life is unfair...
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#148671: Nov 5th 2016 at 5:11:57 PM

I don't think it's irony. It fits in with the founders being wary of mob rule; likewise we didn't used to have direct election of senators. It's state law, not the Constitution, that binds them to vote for a candidate and in theory they're the last bulwark against a demagogue rising through the popular vote *cough*. It was through the mid to late 1800s that people started clamoring for (and got) more direct democracy.

True, true, they feared mob rule and demagogy. Instead, they smacked each other in papers and didn't print retractions. Got really fucking personal and baseless speculative about it, too.

Accusations of hermaphroditeness? Of being dead? In fucking print? Man, one thing I love about the USA, the freedom of speech [lol]

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#148672: Nov 5th 2016 at 5:13:19 PM

[up][up]It didn't affect his career because those who supported him tried to convince themselves he was only joking and wasn't really a molester in real life.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#148673: Nov 5th 2016 at 5:31:09 PM

Poor Hillary. "Why am I even here. Why is this a thing."

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#148674: Nov 5th 2016 at 5:36:25 PM

Also it's likely Nate Silver is getting infected by junk polls that are overweighting for Republicans.

I saw a suggestion that Silver's system could easily be useless in 2020 because people will learn how to game its system.

BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#148675: Nov 5th 2016 at 5:48:15 PM

This CNN video juxtaposes Trump's description of an incident at a Clinton campaign event with video of the actual event, and you don't have to be biased to see he's 100% lying. I went to Youtube and found the footage of the event, unedited - it's easy to find and it's only a couple of minutes - and the CNN cut isn't leaving anything out or misrepresenting anything.

Basically, there was a pro-Trump protestor at an event and during Obama's speech the Clinton supporters there started shouting him down with slogans (and the ever-annoying "USA! USA!" bit). Obama told everyone to "hold it" and when it got a bit more quiet he defended the protestor, saying that the 1st amendment gives him the right to protest. Obama also said "he's not doing nothing" (double negative intended in the US vernacular sense, where it's still a negative). He said the protestor looks like he might be a veteran and an older person, which is two reasons he should be respected.

Trump's narrative of this was that Obama was screaming at the protestor and attacking him in a way that, if Trump did the exact same thing, the media would describe as very aggressive.

So, you know, add this to the pile of simply blatant Trump lies during this campaign. He even starts his bit by telling people to look up the video - obviously expecting that no potential supporter of his would ever bother.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.

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