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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#148576: Nov 4th 2016 at 11:52:54 PM

I'm curious: now that, sadly, Ali passed away, is LBJ the most influential sports player in the USA? And aside from Ali, has ANY sports player had such an important political impact in the US (without getting into politics)?

I don't remember reading anything about Michael Jordan - even though I assume he could be quite influential in NC - or Tom Brady getting mixed with political issues. James' involvement is rather recent, but considering he supported both BLM and Hillary and is from Ohio with a history that reads like a Hollywood biopic now, I am wondering how important he can be in this election.

edited 4th Nov '16 11:53:20 PM by Julep

Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#148577: Nov 5th 2016 at 12:12:11 AM

What does Lyndon B Johnson have to do with sports?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#148578: Nov 5th 2016 at 12:44:21 AM

[up] Le Bron James

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#148579: Nov 5th 2016 at 1:04:10 AM

Oh boy...

It looks like we might have some faithless electors this year.

edited 5th Nov '16 1:04:25 AM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#148580: Nov 5th 2016 at 1:08:24 AM

God fucking damnit. What happens if he goes against the popular vote?

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#148581: Nov 5th 2016 at 1:13:23 AM

He'll be fined $1,000, apparently.

Of course, if Clinton wins 270 anyway, then I don't think it matters.

Oh God! Natural light!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#148582: Nov 5th 2016 at 1:13:36 AM

[up][up] A 1000 dollar fine. Which as already been Go Fund Me paid.

Yes, he was a diehard Bernie Sanders supporter.

[nja]

edited 5th Nov '16 1:14:37 AM by M84

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#148583: Nov 5th 2016 at 1:16:19 AM

Can they replace this guy on such short notice?

Oh God! Natural light!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#148584: Nov 5th 2016 at 1:23:58 AM

[up] They probably won't bother if the vote isn't close enough to matter. It is kind of shitty since the guy had already agreed to vote for HRC over a month ago and is changing his mind again.

edited 5th Nov '16 1:24:43 AM by M84

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#148585: Nov 5th 2016 at 3:02:05 AM

In case you thought I was the only one suggesting to lie about vote swapping. I'm sorry, I was suggesting, not planning.

Documents obtained by the AP confirm that Melania Trump worked in the US prior to obtaining a work visa

WASHINGTON (AP) — Melania Trump was paid for 10 modeling jobs in the United States worth $20,056 that occurred in the seven weeks before she had legal permission to work in the country, according to detailed accounting ledgers, contracts and related documents from 20 years ago provided to The Associated Press.

The details of Mrs. Trump's early paid modeling work in the U.S. emerged in the final days of a bitter presidential campaign in which her husband, Donald Trump, has taken a hard line on immigration laws and those who violate them. Trump has proposed broader use of the government's E-verify system allowing employers to check whether job applicants are authorized to work. He has noted that federal law prohibits illegally paying immigrants.

Mrs. Trump, who received a green card in March 2001 and became a U.S. citizen in 2006, has always maintained that she arrived in the country legally and never violated the terms of her immigration status. During the presidential campaign, she has cited her story to defend her husband's hard line on immigration.

The wife of the GOP presidential nominee, who sometimes worked as a model under just her first name, has said through an attorney that she first came to the U.S. from Slovenia on Aug. 27, 1996, on a B1/B2 visitor visa and then obtained an H-1B work visa on Oct. 18, 1996.

The documents obtained by the AP show she was paid for 10 modeling assignments between Sept. 10 and Oct. 15, during a time when her visa allowed her generally to be in the U.S. and look for work but not perform paid work in the country. The documents examined by the AP indicate that the modeling assignments would have been outside the bounds of her visa.

It is highly unlikely that the discovery will affect the citizenship status of Mrs. Trump. The government can seek to revoke the U.S. citizenship of immigrants after the fact in cases when it determines a person willfully misrepresented or concealed facts relevant to his naturalization. But the government effectively does this in only the most egregious cases, such as instances involving terrorism or war crimes.

The disclosures about the payments come as Mrs. Trump takes on a more substantial role advocating for her husband's candidacy. She made her first speech in months Thursday, in which she spoke of her time working as a model in Europe and her decision to come to the U.S.

"As a young entrepreneur, I wanted to follow my dream to a place where freedom and opportunity were in abundance. So of course, I came here," she said. "Living and working in America was a true blessing, but I wanted something more. I wanted to be an American."

The documents obtained by the AP included ledgers, other accounting documents and a management agreement signed by Mrs. Trump from Metropolitan International Management that covered parts of 1996 and 1997. The AP obtained the files this week after seeking copies since August from employees of the now-defunct modeling firm, after Mrs. Trump made comments earlier this summer that appeared inconsistent with U.S. immigration rules.

A New York immigration lawyer whom Mrs. Trump asked to review her immigration documents, Michael J. Wildes, also reviewed some of the ledgers at AP's request. Wildes said in a brief statement that "these documents, which have not been verified, do not reflect our records including corresponding passport stamps." He did not elaborate or answer additional questions asking for clarification. Wilde appeared to be referring to Mrs. Trump's arrival in the United States on Aug. 27, 1996, one day after the ledgers list a charge for car service to pick up Mrs. Trump from the airport. Trump campaign spokeswoman Hope Hicks also did not answer additional written questions from the AP.

Since questions arose earlier this year, Mrs. Trump has declined to publicly release her immigration records. Wildes, the immigration lawyer, released a letter in September that laid out the details of what he said Mrs. Trump's immigration records show, including a seven-week window in which Mrs. Trump was in the U.S. before her work visa was issued.

During that seven-week period, the ledgers list modeling work for clients that included Fitness magazine and Bergdorf Goodman department store. The management agreement, which said it was not an employment agreement, included a handwritten date of Aug. 27, 1996. The top of the document said it was "made and entered into as of this 4th day of September 1996."

Many of the documents were part of a legal dispute related to the dissolution of the firm in the late 1990s and found recently in storage. The accounting ledgers for the firm's models were listed on hundreds of pages of continuously fed paper that appeared yellowed with age. They were authenticated by a former employee who worked at the firm at the time. The employee spoke on condition of anonymity because this person feared retaliation and threats from Trump's presidential campaign.

Exhibit markings with the records were also consistent with documents filed in New York state court, including a deposition of one former partner that referred to the same exhibit number. The sworn testimony describing the exhibit's content matches the documents obtained by the AP.

A former partner, Paolo Zampolli, who previously told the AP that he recruited Mrs. Trump to come to the U.S. as a model, confirmed that the contract language was used by his firm and his signature appeared on the document. Mrs. Trump's signature on the contract resembled her signature on her marriage license recorded in 2005. Asked about the two dates on the document, Zampolli said he usually vacationed in Europe each August and likely arranged for the contract to be formally executed when he returned to New York after Labor Day, even though Mrs. Trump had signed it eight days earlier.

Zampolli previously told the AP that Mrs. Trump obtained a work visa before she modeled professionally in the United States. He said the ledgers for Mrs. Trump were consistent with printouts used by his firm at the time, but he would not personally vouch for them because he said money matters were handled by the company's chief financial officer, who has since died.

Zampolli said he did not recall Mrs. Trump working without legal permission. "Honestly, I don't know. It's like 20 years ago," he said. "The contract looks (like) a real one and the standard one."

Foreigners are not allowed to use a visitor visa to work for pay in the U.S. for American companies. Doing so would violate the terms of that visa and could prohibit a foreigner from later changing his or her immigration status in the U.S. or bar the foreigner from the United States again without special permission to come back. The E-verify system started in 1997— after Mrs. Trump came to the country— and was dramatically expanded after 2007.

Some ledgers obtained by the AP identify Mrs. Trump by her professional name and detail her involvement with the modeling agency from July 18, 1996, through Sept. 26, 1997. Other documents from the same accounting ledgers identify Mrs. Trump as Melanija Knaus and list $20,526 in gross earnings for the period before she was granted her work visa on Oct. 18, 1996. The documents also show the modeling company paid for her rent, lent her money and paid for her pager.

Some ledgers were first made available to True.Ink, an online lifestyle publication, and then independently obtained and verified by the AP.

Metropolitan International Management managed the careers of about 65 women in 1996 and 1997, according to court records. It paid the women as independent contractors, collecting a 20 percent commission and deducting expenses. The ledger shows that the firm also deducted federal taxes from the models' gross earnings, including Mrs. Trump's.

___

Pearson reported from New York.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#148586: Nov 5th 2016 at 3:42:35 AM

[up] That app was an incredibly stupid idea. If this scam costs HRC the election...

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#148587: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:26:03 AM

Here's a little funny thing

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#148588: Nov 5th 2016 at 5:05:14 AM

@M84: I very much doubt that it will. For one thing, I doubt there are enough third party voters who want to use that. And I very much doubt there are very many third party voters: The eternal bane of third parties in this country is how small the percentage of the vote they get it is, after all.

As regards the elector, maybe this will spur some people to say that the electoral college is outdated. (Something I've thought for a while now, considering the technology we've developed in the past few decades.) But there's a few hundred years of precedent regarding how electors vote and I'm pretty sure most will see this as an egregious breach of the responsibility placed in him. And, considering he's been open about this, it will be easy to point out where the fault lies.

[up]I..... huh?

edited 5th Nov '16 5:13:56 AM by AceofSpades

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#148589: Nov 5th 2016 at 5:21:28 AM

[up] It's especially hypocritical considering the Sanders' supporters complaints about super-delegates in the primaries.

The elector is planning to do exactly the same thing that burned Sanders, except with even higher stakes.

edited 5th Nov '16 5:22:21 AM by M84

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#148591: Nov 5th 2016 at 6:23:36 AM

[up][up][up][up]I am kinda sad at seeing the El Chapulin Colorado grave.

Inter arma enim silent leges
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#148592: Nov 5th 2016 at 7:54:29 AM

I'm going to be upset if on Nov. 9th there isn't a dozen articles explicitly and loudly thanking minorities and women saving us from this orange clown.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#148593: Nov 5th 2016 at 7:55:59 AM

Prepare to be upset then.

edited 5th Nov '16 7:56:40 AM by LSBK

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#148594: Nov 5th 2016 at 7:57:04 AM

To be fair there will probably be articles like that but the general apathy and distaste for the election in general means a lot of people will go "meh, whatever" no matter the outcome.

Shippudentimes Since: Dec, 2012
#148595: Nov 5th 2016 at 7:59:54 AM

The New York Times recently initiated a new feature as The Daily 360- a 360-degree view of important events or awe-inspiring moments using actual video and audio from that moment. The execution is awesome, the audio quality is brilliant, but the video quality can use some work.

The reason I bring this up is because they recently did one for what's it like to be in the media pen within a Trump rally, and what's captured in the single 1 minute 17 seconds is horrifying.

edited 5th Nov '16 8:00:39 AM by Shippudentimes

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Lost in Space
#148596: Nov 5th 2016 at 8:37:14 AM

Both impressive and scary. 360 videos are just amazing; too bad it had to be used for something like this.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#148597: Nov 5th 2016 at 9:18:32 AM

... Pens. He isolates them into pens, like they're animals. The fucking scumbag just has to invent new ways to make me despise him, does he?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#148598: Nov 5th 2016 at 9:37:40 AM

Eh. No. Thats actually normal. Helps keep people and reporters out of each others way. The scary part is the atmosphere of the rally with them surrounded.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#148599: Nov 5th 2016 at 9:42:09 AM

I couldn't watch the video, a brief description please?

Shippudentimes Since: Dec, 2012
#148600: Nov 5th 2016 at 9:43:07 AM

Basically a 360-degree view of what's it's like to be in the media pen at a Trump rally.


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