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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#148301: Nov 3rd 2016 at 1:42:13 PM

I cannot facepalm hard enough.

That has to assume that "the muslims" want, unilaterally, to bring harm upon other people. It also conflates "the muslims" with "terrorists Hiding Behind Religion".

I do suspect you're right though. That does sound like a logical conclusion for someone who is working on the above assumptions.

[up]Most of the time, the Intimidators are the ones carrying the guns.

edited 3rd Nov '16 1:42:46 PM by blkwhtrbbt

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#148302: Nov 3rd 2016 at 1:49:26 PM

Yeah, I mean, the fact they're the more intimidating party is kind of right there in the name.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#148303: Nov 3rd 2016 at 1:52:50 PM

The Klan says something by existing. You can't be a member of the Klan, walk around in the robes, and not be preaching hate. The simple fact of their marching is an act of intimidation and could be banned on those grounds.

If I might ask a potentially ignorant question:

Would there be any way of making the Klan itself illegal without a slippery slope/abusable law? What's the legislation on hate groups in the US atm if there is any?

Because just saying something in isolation is one thing, but when you have an actual organization with a very particular history like that, it's a whole different ballgame. Your very existence/participation in anything they do sends a tacit message of intolerance.

edited 3rd Nov '16 1:53:45 PM by Draghinazzo

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#148304: Nov 3rd 2016 at 1:55:40 PM

Most of the time, the Intimidators are the ones carrying the guns.

What about counter-intimidators? You know, guys who hear about militias planning to "watch over" polling stations to "prevent voter fraud", interpret it as code for "intimidate Clinton voters so they don't vote", and decide to pull their guns out the closet and fight fire with fire?

Current and former FBI officials, none of whom were willing or cleared to speak on the record, have described a chaotic internal climate that resulted from outrage over director James Comey’s July decision not to recommend an indictment over Clinton’s maintenance of a private email server on which classified information transited.
... Wait, whose side is Comey on now?

edited 3rd Nov '16 1:56:20 PM by MarqFJA

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#148305: Nov 3rd 2016 at 1:58:24 PM

[up][up]America has a zero tolerance stance against domestic terrorists, not hate groups (as long as they dont get violent or try to explicitly invoke violence).

edited 3rd Nov '16 2:06:10 PM by nervmeister

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#148306: Nov 3rd 2016 at 2:01:25 PM

[up][up]

I doubt pro-Clinton voter intimidators will be a thing, at least to any significant degree.

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#148307: Nov 3rd 2016 at 2:05:38 PM

Who said anything about them being pro-Clinton? They could be anti-Trump Republicans who decided to swallow their qualms about having another Democrat in the White House because they'd like it even less if Trump won.

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#148308: Nov 3rd 2016 at 2:07:24 PM

You do realize that what you're saying is never going to happen, right? Like, it's a horrible case of painting both sides the same, when we know for a fact that it's only Trump supporters using intimidation tactics.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#148309: Nov 3rd 2016 at 2:09:10 PM

Trump has already advocated voting fraud to some of his supporters (saying that they should try and vote twice if they don't think their vote was counted), and with that thing where the church got firebombed is definitely suppression and intimidation.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#148310: Nov 3rd 2016 at 2:09:42 PM

[up][up][up]

Also unlikely. The Republicans who would go to such levels are likely also going to be 100% on board the Trump train.

edited 3rd Nov '16 2:09:57 PM by SilentColossus

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#148311: Nov 3rd 2016 at 2:11:19 PM

[up][up][up]There was that case recently of a Republican headquarters getting firebombed. Granted, it was only one such incident, but it indicates that some under the Democratic banner are Not So Above It All.

edited 3rd Nov '16 2:11:37 PM by nervmeister

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#148312: Nov 3rd 2016 at 2:11:34 PM

If the minority activist groups are smart, they'll be setting up things like carpools,hotlines and countermeasures that can get these 'poll watchers' reported and arrested in a hurry if they actually carry out their intimidation plans.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#148313: Nov 3rd 2016 at 2:13:21 PM

What are the "militia" guys going to do if people aren't intimidated by their thuggery and do vote for Clinton? There are probably already police monitoring the polling stations.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#148314: Nov 3rd 2016 at 2:16:14 PM

[up]If I had to guess, violent incidents by "lone wolves" will probably noticeably escalate for a brief period of time after Hillary's sworn in (these are VERY insecure individuals who irrationally believe they need to take desperate measures to defend their way of life), then the cops will crack down more firmly on those elements and things should go relatively quiet again.

edited 3rd Nov '16 2:19:20 PM by nervmeister

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#148315: Nov 3rd 2016 at 2:20:25 PM

[up][up]America has a zero tolerance stance against domestic terrorists, not hate groups (as long as they dont get violent or try to explicitly invoke violence).

Didn't Y'all-quaida get away with occupying federal grounds and threatening to shoot anyone that came near? Yeah, that's some real Zero Tolerance right there.

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#148316: Nov 3rd 2016 at 2:20:39 PM

I'm pretty much of the same opinion on the First Amendment as Ambar. And also the Second Amendment. It is ridiculously Americentric to assume that our way is the only way and down any other road must inherently lie tyranny. Someone said this months ago about the mass shootings we keep having, and it's true of hate speech as well:

"This problem is inherently unsolvable!" says the only First World country that has this problem.

What are the "militia" guys going to do if people aren't intimidated by their thuggery and do vote for Clinton? There are probably already police monitoring the polling stations.

Because the minority groups being targeted for intimidation would not also be intimidated by swarms of trigger-happy, black-thumpin' cops around the polling stations.

Hell, some of these militia guys probably are cops.

edited 3rd Nov '16 2:21:29 PM by TobiasDrake

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#148317: Nov 3rd 2016 at 2:21:34 PM

Yeah, see here's the thing about cops. A great many of them are Trump supporters. He's backed by most of the police unions.

And this is something of a personal anecdote but at least in the deep south there is a not insignificant overlap between Klan members and police. Oathkeepers too for that matter.

edited 3rd Nov '16 2:22:33 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
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#148318: Nov 3rd 2016 at 2:23:32 PM

Given how thoroughly it's been established that the police will shoot a black person for eating dinner at his table or walking towards them and asking for help, I can actually think of no more effective method of voter intimidation than simply posting a handful of cops at every polling site.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#148319: Nov 3rd 2016 at 2:24:16 PM

There are only like 5,000 people in the KKK so I'm not really sure how that's possible. Unless you're talking like really small town here, which thinking about it, you probably are.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#148320: Nov 3rd 2016 at 2:27:46 PM

Didn't Y'all-quaida get away with occupying federal grounds and threatening to shoot anyone that came near? Yeah, that's some real Zero Tolerance right there.
Holing up with your buddies in a facility for a circle jerk session isn't quite the same as tactically murdering/brutalizing people around where they live in order to create an atmosphere of fear.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#148323: Nov 3rd 2016 at 2:44:01 PM

[up][up][up] Well the cops did shoot one of them.

edited 3rd Nov '16 2:47:44 PM by JackOLantern1337

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#148324: Nov 3rd 2016 at 2:45:30 PM

Yeah, but only after he pulled a gun on them.

And the rest of those inbreds have only gotten out of one part of their charges. There are still others.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#148325: Nov 3rd 2016 at 2:49:54 PM

Lets just say if we had laws to have these guys and the KKK proscribed, the Black Panthers, AIM,and so many other left wing groups would end up on the same list.

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