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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
So Cracked had a few interviews with three fringe presidential candidates.
Yah know what? I actually kinda like the Solidarity guy. Disagree quite a lot with his opinion on abortion and gay marriage (and porn, let's not forget about the porn), but he seems a lot more of a proper Christian than the other party commonly associated with religious groups.
edited 3rd Nov '16 11:38:04 AM by Kayeka
It's funny that there's a Solidarity party.
"My philosophy is that we need to be unified as a country. Gotta get everyone on the same page so we can all move in the right direction in tandem. To this effect, I've started my own Presidential campaign to try and split some of the vote off from the two main groups and further fracture the electorate."
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub."I'll take that, thank you, and here we go. Nothing up my sleeve, nothing in the hat, alakazam and WHIFF! Just like that, your vote has disappeared!"
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.US Hate Group Forging Ties with the “Third Rome”
Next week, group members intend to be in Cleveland, site of the Republican Party convention, vowing to do battle with any liberal protesters who try to disrupt the proceedings.
It also happens that Heimbach, a self-described “white nationalist,” is a huge fan of Russian leader Vladimir Putin. “President Putin is the best European leaders [sic] of the 21st century,” Heimbach tweeted earlier this year, scattering his praise among #Hail Putin and #Putin For Tsar hashtags. According to Heimbach’s view of the world, Russia under Putin has “reassert[ed] itself as the defender of Christendom and the Third Rome,” and has demonstrated a “rediscovered purpose of supporting Tradition, Christianity, and identity.”
The memes that Heimbach hypes – Putin as a defender of Christianity and the Kremlin as a defender of supposedly traditional values – are similar to those espoused by pro-Moscow elements in Europe. However, up to this point, such ideas have gained little traction among American political activists.
Heimbach is working hard to change that.
“Putin is the leader, really, of the anti-globalist forces around the world,” Heimbach told Eurasia Net.org. Although the Kremlin has been slow to address Russia’s deepening economic woes, Heimbach maintains Putin has displayed a consistent willingness to “stand up for the best interests” of Russia.
Heimbach’s party promotes a handful of hard-right goals, ranging from the creation of ethnically separate polities to the revocation of birthright citizenship in the US. It also seeks the removal of US authority from “occupied territories” – including states like Hawaii – and an end to “discrimination against whites.”
Heimbach personally has been characterized as a “Little Fuhrer” by the Southern Poverty Law Center. He has also been named in a violence-related lawsuit for his actions at a recent rally for Trump. He first gained notoriety when he founded a White Student Union in 2012 at Maryland’s Towson University. He told Eurasia Net.org that he first “got … onto Russia” after his conversion to Russian Orthodoxy a few years ago under the tutelage of his priest, Matthew Raphael Johnson.
The Kremlin’s “Novorossiya” project, which would create an independent state in eastern Ukraine, has played an outsized role in Heimbach’s support for Russia; he posted a photo in early May of himself, along with other white nationalists, underneath the “Novorossiya” flag.
Johnson, the Orthodox priest, hosts a podcast entitled “The Orthodox Nationalist,” and has seen his work promoted on the white supremacist website Stormfront. Heimbach, however, has proven too much for Stormfront; the website’s backers banned Heimbach from future events after he called for break-up of the United States in pursuit of an all-white ethno-state.
Of late, Heimbach has attempted to act as a bridge between Moscow and white extremists in the United States. He has also worked to integrate his group with like-minded fringe entities in Europe – almost all of which see Moscow as a potential source of fiscal and moral support. “I see Russia as kind of the axis for nationalists,” said Heimbach, who once hosted a 2015 rally in which both Russian and Confederate flags flew. “And that’s not just nationalists that are white – that’s all nationalists.”
Heimbach said he was planning on attending the upcoming World National Conservative Movement conference in Russia, originally scheduled for this spring, but postponed until this fall. “The main purpose of the Forum is to promote the creation of a common Russian-European conservative elite group, which unites the political, industrial, economic and religious elite of Russia and Europe, America and other countries,” according to a statement by the Russian Imperial Movement (RIM), which is organizing the conference.
At a similar conference staged in 2015, several speakers, including American white supremacists, expressed a desire for the “national liberation of Europe.”
When asked about the upcoming conference, Nicholas Truschalov, a RIM representative, told Eurasia Net.org via email that the “goals of the Forum are, firstly, the coordination and integration of actions of national-patriots from all the countries and continents of the world.” As Heimbach sees it, the RIM initiative marks the “first step towards creating an official nationalist umbrella organization for Traditionalists around the globe.”
The Russian Imperial Movement – which describes its ideology as “Christian Orthodox imperial nationalism” – does not hide its ties to the Kremlin. As Anton Shekhovtsov, a researcher of European far-right movements, found, the Russian Imperial Movement arose in part from the efforts of Rodina, a Russian political party founded by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.
The group’s stated goals are similar to those pursued by the Kremlin, including the neutralization of the EU and NATO.
Those who are gathering under the RIM’s umbrella, including Heimbach, claim to espouse support for all nationalists, regardless of ethnicity or state. But when asked if such support applies to other post-Soviet states – say, to Kazakhstan or Ukraine – Heimbach struggled to overcome the tension between supporting nationalist objectives and supporting Russian claims to a sphere of influence. “[Ukrainian President Petro] Poroshenko is Jewish,” Heimbach told Eurasia Net.org. “A huge number of governors are Jewish. They’re not ethnic Ukrainians. So how can you be a nationalist fighting to align your nation with the EU and with NATO, and the government isn’t even being run by native Ukrainians?”
For the record, Poroshenko says he is not Jewish.
As he strives to build support for his group, hoping to steer it from the fringe into the mainstream, Heimbach is counting on Moscow’s support. “Russia’s our most powerful ally,” he said. “Imagine what could happen to our party when Russia takes interest.”
Moscow remains the linchpin within the burgeoning alliance of trans-Atlantic nationalists, Heimbach added. “[The upcoming conference in Russia] is a broad coalition of all ethno-nationalists – all nationalists that reject neoliberalism, and reject globalism, coming together as a united front, based out of Russia,” Heimbach said. During the Soviet period, “there was the Comintern, the Communist International. And in the modern era, it’s almost like a nationalist version – or the Traditionalist International.”
edited 3rd Nov '16 11:53:05 AM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.I'm also confused. Both about how that statement could be accurate and about why it would matter. "Land of the free" is just branding.
I don't refrain from drinking Sprite on grounds that to do so would violate the slogan, "Always Coca-Cola."
edited 3rd Nov '16 11:55:07 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Brazil has hate speech laws and it hasn't derailed into a dictatorship for it. Which is all the more impressive given it was a dictatorship about thirty years ago.
Granted Brazil does have some severe democratic problems which spiralled into chaos and madness as of this year but they're entirely unrelated to the hate speech laws. In fact I'm yet to hear of a single example of that law being a major problem. Worst I hear is people complaining people are misusing that law to prosecute stuff that isn't actually racist because of Political Correctness Gone Mad and even that is a typical "a friend of a friend of mine says it happened to him".
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I'd note that every KKK rally in recent memory has been met with counter protests that are always vastly larger than anything the Klan can muster. One in a town near me ended up with 5 klansmen (klans. . .women? One guy in a robe and four women without them) and the entire town center packed with counter protestors. Since every lettered agency in the country watches them, for better or worse most racist shitheads are too scared to actually enroll in their ranks now.
I live near Buffalo, and there was a Neo-Nazi meeting at one of the parks. Only about five Nazis actually showed up. When I got to the protest there were already a few hundred people there, including everything from liberals to anarchists.
I was surprised that only about five Nazis showed up, because the local news' Facebook page's comments section was filled with white baby boomers insisting that anti-Nazi protests were a violation of free speech and BLM is totally just as bad, you liberal hypocrites. It just goes to show that most racists are cowards at heart.
edited 3rd Nov '16 12:14:48 PM by Lennik
That's right, boys. Mondo cool.The question I'd ask, actually, is how many 'white baby-boomers' were actually filling that section. Because I'd suspect that, say, five particularly motivated people- perhaps five people who for, whatever reason, felt personally invested in that story- could give the sense the comments sections was dominated by them. Certainly five people could easily dominate a discussion here.
I'd ask how on earth you could give a gun licence to someone who's too young to have a driver's licence. (Then again I've also wondered how in some states you can have a driver's licence and be too young to buy alcohol.) Cultural differences, I suppose.
For what it's worth, I think Finland is fairly OK about this. When you're 18 you can vote, buy alcohol, get a licence for a gun, and get a driver's licence. The age of consent is 16. There's a restriction on stronger alcohol drinks - if it's more than (IIRC) 21% alcohol you have to be 20. (So anything under that is OK if you're 18 or older.)
Frankly, I don't understand how you could give a driver's licence or a gun licence to someone under 18, at least if they're still not otherwise treated as a full adult. It doesn't make any sense for me that voting age should be higher than the age when you can buy alcohol or guns or drive a car.
But again, cultural differences, I suppose.
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.The First Amendment is not just free speech. It's a set of five things that are pretty essential for any government to call itself supportive of liberty: freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom to peaceably assemble and freedom to petition the government for grievances. Oversimplifying greatly in the interest of time, the bottom line is that removing or weakening any of them opens the door for the government to be able to persecute you for saying things they don't like. At the time the Constitution was drafted this was still pretty novel and radical. In the modern era they're still the best tools we have to do anything about fixing things without having to resort to exercising the Second Amendment.
I would say "Land of the free" is basically shorthand for "we were founded on principles of liberty and these principles matter and the goal of government should be to live up to and protect them. We have not always done well at it but we've been willing to fight for them and fight to get better at them.
The freedom to speak without fear of prosecution for your speech is pretty much what the success of the country was built on, and greatly advanced discussion for civil rights, workers rights, and women's rights.
It's remarkable what happens when the people in power can't throw you in jail for calling them out for abusing their power.
It's also the primary protection from religious persecution as well. If a church wants to hurt someone, they can't call on government power to do it. If someone wants to shut down a church without proof of wrong doing, they can't call on government power to do it.
Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for youCurrent and former FBI officials, none of whom were willing or cleared to speak on the record, have described a chaotic internal climate that resulted from outrage over director James Comey’s July decision not to recommend an indictment over Clinton’s maintenance of a private email server on which classified information transited.
“The FBI is Trumpland,” said one current agent.
This atmosphere raises major questions about how Comey and the bureau he is slated to run for the next seven years can work with Clinton should she win the White House.
The currently serving FBI agent said Clinton is “the antichrist personified to a large swath of FBI personnel,” and that “the reason why they’re leaking is they’re pro-Trump.”
The agent called the bureau “Trumplandia,” with some colleagues openly discussing voting for a GOP nominee who has garnered unprecedented condemnation from the party’s national security wing and who has pledged to jail Clinton if elected.
At the same time, other sources dispute the depth of support for Trump within the bureau, though they uniformly stated that Clinton is viewed highly unfavorably.
“There are lots of people who don’t think Trump is qualified, but also believe Clinton is corrupt. What you hear a lot is that it’s a bad choice, between an incompetent and a corrupt politician,” said a former FBI official.
Sources who disputed the depth of Trump’s internal support agreed that the FBI is now in parlous political territory. Justice department officials – another current target of FBI dissatisfaction – have said the bureau disregarded longstanding rules against perceived or actual electoral interference when Comey wrote to Congress to say it was reviewing newly discovered emails relating to Clinton’s personal server.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/03/fbi-leaks-hillary-clinton-james-comey-donald-trump
Yup FBI is getting purged and not a single fuck is gonna be given by me
New Survey coming this weekend!Limiting the First Amendment is a steep slippery slope. It would open the gates to allow future Donald Trumps and his followers to "open up libel laws" against media/people who say bad things about them. You don't want to give such an idea even a shred of validity. People could easily pilot anti-hate speech laws to stop people from speaking out against white supremacy, racial motivated police brutality, ect. Because it is "hate speech against white people" or whatever they can think of.
edited 3rd Nov '16 12:36:37 PM by SilentColossus
Exactly.
Let Free Speech be its own weapon against Hate Speech. Let the drivel be drowned against the drone of the dramatically louder backdrop.
Honestly, though, even with Free Speech explicitly safeguarded in the Constitution, we still have things like "political prisoners". Feminists locked away in prisons and force-fed to counter their hunger strikes. Witch-hunts against suspected communists with little more than hearsay or the suspects' friendships as "evidence".
edited 3rd Nov '16 12:42:07 PM by blkwhtrbbt
Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

As for the KKK, they can incite violence, it just has to be general violence from what I understand, so "we need to kills the Jews" is okay, but "Jeff, Jerry and Mike, go set the Synagogue on fire once the rally is over" is not.
edited 3rd Nov '16 11:32:56 AM by Silasw
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