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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#87926: Dec 15th 2014 at 7:10:05 AM

If congress really doesn't want to close Gitmo, then they should just all agree to create a constitutional amendment saying that Gitmo is constitutional.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#87927: Dec 15th 2014 at 8:27:19 AM

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Those episodes of Extra Credits were indeed quite awesome, and underscore the issue that people see in the Call Of Duty/Battlefield franchises.

As for Gitmo, there's another big reason - Not in My Backyard!. If you think prisons make living locations bad now, imagine the outcry if a suspected and/or known terrorist gets locked up in one. And if you can't imagine it, here's The Daily Show on the topic. And bonus points to Rep. Steve King for taking the Slippery Slope Fallacy to a new extreme by positing that Kalidh Shikh Mohammed might get Off on a Technicality, apply for asylum in the US, and be granted it.

edited 15th Dec '14 8:30:25 AM by ironballs16

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
arcanephoenix Resident Bollywood Nerd from Bombay, India Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
Resident Bollywood Nerd
#87928: Dec 15th 2014 at 11:32:08 AM

[up][up] And admit to themselves and everyone else that every US citizen is theoretically subject to torture at the will of the government? It'd be honest, and honesty is a tough virtue. I don't see a lot of it in Republicans.

Also, what technicality? If there is no proof except for repugnant speech, he has no right to enter the country (hell, I know the kind of torture it takes to get a student visa for the US), but the US also has no right to imprison him. Also, asylum candidates must be processed quickly? And their applications must be granted? Because given what kind of pricks (excusez mon francais) are in the visa department for students, I don't think their asylum listing is particularly more efficient and more understanding.

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#87930: Dec 15th 2014 at 11:52:49 AM

Heaven forbid male lawmakers decide to be sensitive about their ogling their coworkers or something.

I can understand just not allowing casual wear on the whole — I don't like it, but that's the employer's discretion. But they shouldn't have to go into too many specifics.

edited 15th Dec '14 11:53:57 AM by Pykrete

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#87931: Dec 15th 2014 at 12:08:21 PM

North Carolina mother believes her son's alleged suicide by hanging was a lynching. He was dating a 31 year old white woman at the time,the age of consent in North Carolina being 16. The community and and even his mother,though in her case it was due to the age difference, disapproved. It seems like their would be a motive. Also it doesn't help that a week after he was buried a local teen was arrested for defacing his grave.

edited 15th Dec '14 12:14:09 PM by JackOLantern1337

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#87932: Dec 15th 2014 at 12:12:38 PM

If we want true equality, then if women can wear low-cut tops and skirts at work, men should be allowed to wear shorts and t-shirts. That said, so many of these laws do seem to consist of men (always men, note!) deciding how much of a woman is allowed to be visible before they just can't help themselves from staring.

edited 15th Dec '14 12:13:10 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#87933: Dec 15th 2014 at 12:19:27 PM

I worked in an office once where the management was so worried about offending women that they didn't actually have a dress code for women. Men had to wear a suit and tie, but the woman who was nominally my boss (temp situation) wore jeans and a t-shirt all the time. After complaints (because that is a big double standard) they settled on "Everyone has a choice of wearing a suit and tie or a dress skirt."

[up] Yeah. "Hey guys, you have a thing, it's called a neck. You are fully capable of looking away." Personally, I don't think jeans and a t-shirt are appropriate for a corporate office, but I could do without the tie.

edited 15th Dec '14 12:20:52 PM by Zendervai

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#87934: Dec 15th 2014 at 12:30:54 PM

NASA, to the surprise of NASA, got a budget increase in the of the C Romnibus.

edited 15th Dec '14 12:31:19 PM by Parable

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#87935: Dec 15th 2014 at 12:39:09 PM

It would be a much simpler issue if they just didn't make formal officewear with low cuts or high skirts. Instinctively that does seem to go against the point of formal office dress code for exactly the reason shorts would. I mean, making your shorts out of ruffled black French terry with pocket squares or whatever the fuck doesn't make it office-formal either. Hilarious, maybe, but not office-formal.

The perils of avoiding double standards of your own when already dealing with wider pre-existing double standards. I suppose things would also have been much easier if the pioneers of office fashion didn't spend so much time ogling their secretaries.

edited 15th Dec '14 12:41:39 PM by Pykrete

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#87937: Dec 15th 2014 at 12:49:36 PM

Because the midterms don't count as a early Christmas?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#87938: Dec 15th 2014 at 12:51:53 PM

"Big Labor"? In the United States?

Good luck to them.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#87939: Dec 15th 2014 at 12:56:59 PM

@Caissa: I was snarking there, as in "even if Joe Arpaio were elected a judge and they had him trying the case."

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#87940: Dec 15th 2014 at 1:31:44 PM

I don't see the problem with generic rules for formal wear, but making it gender specific is just stupid.

I can partially see why as you don't really see V-neck work shirts or dress shorts for men so it isn't even really an option for them, but it's the point of the matter.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#87941: Dec 15th 2014 at 1:38:44 PM

I could wear a V-neck shirt, letting everyone see the glory of my chest hair, but I won't, for reasons beyond simply getting sent home to change.

Seriously, though, this conversation belongs in the various gender issues threads. The only reason it was brought up here was because of relevant legislation.

edited 15th Dec '14 1:39:25 PM by Fighteer

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#87942: Dec 15th 2014 at 1:50:28 PM

Honestly, with that particular bit of legislation, it makes me think of a 4-panel comic I've got saved somewhere. Guy glances down at his co-worker's cleavage and earns a disapproving glare - next day, he comes in sporting his own (down south) and glares back.

And while I don't quite get why office clothes are cut in such a manner, I also don't have breasts, so there may be legitimate issues with wearing shirts that go all the way to the neck for some women.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#87943: Dec 15th 2014 at 1:51:49 PM

[up] I have a friend who basically has to wear v-neck shirts, as a result of a surgery. She's fine, collared shirts just itch like crazy.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#87944: Dec 15th 2014 at 2:14:50 PM

Huh, that actually sounds very good on the NLRB, though the more important bit seems to be the "joint employer" bit to hold the real companies responsible for franchisee violations.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#87945: Dec 15th 2014 at 2:42:24 PM

AFAIK, the state isn't supposed to mandate dress codes for state office jobs unless it's a bona fide occupational requirement. So the House's dress code probably wouldn't hold up in court if anyone cared to challenge it. I can go to the legislature wearing nothing but a bikini and a cowboy hat if I want! tongue

Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#87946: Dec 15th 2014 at 3:38:22 PM

[up] All states can set their own dress code requirements for their departments.

That's part of establishing a professional environment.

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#87947: Dec 15th 2014 at 3:42:47 PM

Yea, dress codes are only an issue when they start putting gender restrictions on it.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#87948: Dec 15th 2014 at 3:57:56 PM

EDIT: Nevermind.

edited 15th Dec '14 4:00:36 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#87950: Dec 15th 2014 at 5:01:16 PM

Insofar as pulling someone over for a broken taillight, I agree with the decision. That is something that varies across the country, and regardless of whether it's illegal, it's still hazardous. So that would be a reasonable good-faith cause to pull someone over. And as it's such a legal mess across state lines, it's also a good reason not to ticket them for it.

(Many states will also have the ability to issue fix-it tickets, which are dismissed once the issue is fixed.)

What I want to know is, what "reasonable" grounds were there to search the car?

edited 15th Dec '14 5:06:41 PM by Pykrete


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