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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Is it possible for none of the current candidates to win? Maybe they'll pick someone like Christie at a brokered convention.
Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's PlayOnce again shit gets stalled because of Senator Harry Reid (D-NV).
Who cares what the final vote would have been, the payroll tax bill passed by the House this week deserved a vote and debate.
Does he honestly think he's getting on voters' (and OWS) good side by being such an idiot and refusing to even put bills to a vote? It's the fucking debt problem in August all over again. (And he was responsible for the final vote being on the deadline for default!)
Actually, didn't he bring it up for a vote and MCCONNEL fillibustered? Something his own party passed?
"To try to push the process along, Mr. Reid tried Wednesday morning to hold a vote on the payroll tax bill that passed the House Tuesday evening — but Mr. Mc Connell blocked that, which left Democrats wondering why he would halt a vote on his party’s own proposal."
edited 14th Dec '11 5:31:55 PM by TheyCallMeTomu
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Tom, you do realize said payroll tax for the republicans is just a cute way to piggyback a job destroying and environment devastating pipeline into existence, ironically threatening the livelihoods of the very farmers the republicans purport to care so much about..right?
edited 14th Dec '11 5:31:29 PM by Midgetsnowman
^^ He was saying not two days ago that the House bill was dead on arrival.
I won't defend Mc Connell. He's an idiot and Republicans everywhere know it.
edited 14th Dec '11 5:32:32 PM by MajorTom
Then I suppose they would have voted against it, had Mc Connel not blocked a bill from his own party.
Pretty much. I'd prefer government shutdown to the House once again trying to push pet agenda issues by attaching them to unrelated and more important bills and expecting the democrats to bend over and take it in the rear.
Especially since said pipeline if it ever ruptures will absolutely RUIN small business farmers in the midwest.
edited 14th Dec '11 5:36:19 PM by Midgetsnowman
Care to explain how? Preferably with logical facts and costs?
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The pipeline has two major flaws that I know of.
One, its going to be used to transport Tar Sand oil. a method of extracting oil that only just barely makes more energy on output than input. Its like burning 5 trillion tons of coal to get 100.1 Percent power. Add to that that any land you use for Tar sand digging has to basically be strip mined, and we pretty much permanently destroy part of Canada. On top of that, the proposed XL pipeline route goes right down the center of america, ensuring that any leaks or busts that occur drop rich delicious crude oil on arable farmland.
edited 14th Dec '11 5:38:30 PM by Midgetsnowman
The company trying to build it is bullying people off their homes. (Or at least attempting to.) There's an organization in Nebraska that's formed to protect themselves from that corporation. These are farmers, whose livelihoods pretty much depend on being able to stay on their farms.
http://www.onearth.org/article/blame-canada?page=1
Relevant article.
The tar sand shit is bad news...
And, yeah, they're really dumb for wanting to run a pipeline through that part of the US. This isn't like Alaska, where there's not a lot of significant economic or tangible value out there...
I am now known as Flyboy.Oh right. that article reminded me of the other flaw in the pipeline route. It'll run right above a freshwater aquifer used by the entire region. Any pipeline damage ever (and pipelines always take damage, its pretty much inevitable) will potentially pollute an entire aquifer forever.
edited 14th Dec '11 5:43:24 PM by Midgetsnowman
Move the piepline discussion Here
guys.
Pew Research did an interesting thing about what people associate with the candidates, and if you'll bear with me for a few minutes, I'll display it in a table... nevermind. >.>
Romney:
Mormon: 47
No way/No: 23
Flip Flop: 19
Good: 15
Ok: 15
Religion: 10
Business: 9
honest: 9
Unsure: 9
Possibility: 9
Loser: 8
Slick: 8
Conservative: 7
Crook: 7
Idiot: 7
Like: 7
Wishy-Washy: 7
Rich: 6\\
edited 14th Dec '11 6:49:50 PM by Enkufka
Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen FryThe table failed, badly. >.>;
Note that its only for Romney and Gingrich.
Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry

I don't think that Romney is going to become a third tier candidate. If Gingrich wins Iowa, it probably means he has momentum. If Paul wins Iowa, it means Gingrich doesn't have momentum. Long story short, I think that if Paul wins Iowa, then Romney has a pretty decent shot of getting the nomination.