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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#417276: Nov 15th 2023 at 8:39:45 PM

Here's a vid by Some More News about US conservatives' offensive towards restricting women's reproductive rights:

Although the video was disturbingly dark and depressing despite delight demeanor...after seeing all these massive Republican defeats brought about due to the issue feels...almost karmic. evil grin

(Seriously, abortions should be legal, why the hell are we as human society STILL arguing about this in 2023-ah wait, there are flat earthers too)

Also, I'm not surprised but still unnerved about how Ohio republicans and conservative donors outside the state are pulling all the stops to try to push through abortion ban despite its constituents' democratic opposition.

Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#417277: Nov 16th 2023 at 2:01:13 AM

A City in Tennessee Banned Public Homosexuality—and We All Missed It

A city in Tennessee is using a recently passed ordinance essentially prohibiting homosexuality in public to try to ban library books that might violate the new rules.

Murfreesboro passed an ordinance in June banning “indecent behavior,” including “indecent exposure, public indecency, lewd behavior, nudity or sexual conduct.” As journalist Erin Reed first reported, this ordinance specifically mentions Section 21-72 of the city code. The city code states that sexual conduct includes homosexuality.

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MagmaTeaMerry My Head Is On Fire from A forest somewhere Since: Sep, 2020
My Head Is On Fire
#417278: Nov 16th 2023 at 3:32:14 AM

Oh wow, oh my, Republicans once again using supposed sexual behavior as a smokescreen to discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. Color me surprised.

… So, how long do you think it’ll take before it’s revealed that one of the Reps who pushed for this law to pass turns out to be a sex offender themselves? It seems to be quite the pattern that the people clammering the loudest for hiding/flat-out exterminating non-cis individuals under the guise of ”They’re all groomers and rapists!” turn out to be the groomers and rapists.

Edited by MagmaTeaMerry on Nov 16th 2023 at 12:32:48 PM

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#417279: Nov 16th 2023 at 3:32:45 AM

[up] Yup and I'm thinking, in about a couple months.

Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.
jawal Since: Sep, 2018
#417280: Nov 16th 2023 at 5:39:20 AM

A group of hardline Republicans has put new US House Speaker Mike Johnson on notice that he can no longer count on their  support for the legislation

Representative Scott Perry, chairman of the hardliner conservative Freedom Caucus, said:

We want the message to be clear, We're not going to pass bills that don't address the problem  America faces

Representative Nick LaLota added:

The honeymoon is over

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-house-speaker-johnsons-honeymoon-ends-hardline-republicans-rebel-2023-11-16/

Edited by jawal on Nov 16th 2023 at 3:02:50 PM

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ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Everyone's friend Malamar
#417281: Nov 16th 2023 at 5:54:39 AM

So... shall we get the lettuce?

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thok That's Dr. Title, thank you! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Non-Canon
That's Dr. Title, thank you!
#417282: Nov 16th 2023 at 5:57:33 AM

Only if we start hearing grumblings from other groups, since the hardliners don't have enough votes to kick out Mike Johnson by themselves.

Imca (Veteran)
#417283: Nov 16th 2023 at 6:07:14 AM

I mean house democrats are always happy to help evict a republician speaker.

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#417284: Nov 16th 2023 at 6:30:46 AM

Mike Johnson: "I denied the 2020 election and tried to help keep trump in office, surely when I'm elected as speaker I won't be turned on."

"Passeses the Stopgap bill that doesn't have anything that could forward the republican agenda, gets turned on anyway."

Johnson: *Surprised Pikachu Face*

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#417285: Nov 16th 2023 at 6:42:10 AM

So that's why he's suddenly making noise about impeaching Biden again after saying they were going to ease away from it.

PointMaid Since: Jun, 2014
#417286: Nov 16th 2023 at 6:47:43 AM

Which is pretty obviously distraction smoke and mirrors since the Senate is controlled by Democrats who aren't going to take just any excuse to remove the guy, and I'm not sure they would have the numbers in the House either to even impeach. But, hey, distraction.

Edited by PointMaid on Nov 16th 2023 at 6:48:41 AM

Floater From dawn to dusk from Song of the Red Cardinal (Plucky Ensign) Relationship Status: Abstaining
From dawn to dusk
#417287: Nov 16th 2023 at 6:49:52 AM

We're making progress, folks.

23 more days and Speaker Johnson will have outlasted Liz Truss.

A hopeless mess in a kernel of truth.
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#417288: Nov 16th 2023 at 7:01:10 AM

So when is that stop-gap bill from Mondey supposed to reach the senate?

Cross (Don’t ask)
#417289: Nov 16th 2023 at 7:17:02 AM

Think it's already heading to Biden.

Floater From dawn to dusk from Song of the Red Cardinal (Plucky Ensign) Relationship Status: Abstaining
From dawn to dusk
#417290: Nov 16th 2023 at 7:52:30 AM

Pretty sure it did pass the Senate.

A hopeless mess in a kernel of truth.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#417291: Nov 16th 2023 at 10:31:43 AM

Smithsonian Zoo pandas on loan from China leave United States as 'Panda Diplomacy' winds down amid escalating tensions between US and China.

At the height of the program, there were 15 pandas at one time in the United States, but in the past decade, the numbers have dropped - coinciding with worsening US-China relations. And soon, there could be no more pandas at American zoos.

Earlier this year, videos surfaced on Chinese social media claiming pandas returning from the Memphis Zoo were being abused. Partially fueled by Chinese state media, the claims went viral.

Edited by Parable on Nov 16th 2023 at 10:32:37 AM

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#417292: Nov 16th 2023 at 1:19:01 PM

Learned something new: there's a group in Oklahoma that lobbies for lessening penalties for getting caught cockfighting and the state governor is getting flak for supporting them.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#417293: Nov 16th 2023 at 2:02:10 PM

[up][up]Let them make up complaints all they want. We're done pandaing to them.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#417294: Nov 16th 2023 at 2:49:24 PM

China and US formally announce they will resume military to military communication to ease tensions and prevent accidents from spiraling into conflicts.

They also publicly agreed for China to clamp down on Fentanyl exportation, which had made it's way to the US and caused numerous addictions and deaths.

And there was agreement to begin talks concerning "risks and safety issues" around AI.

Beijing has long sought to be treated as an equal by Washington, and Biden sought to leverage those ambitions with Xi to address two devastating wars.

In their private session, Biden appealed to Xi to use his influence to try to calm global tensions, particularly to try to pressure Iran not to widen the conflict between Israel and Hamas.

Nothing really changed regarding Taiwan or sanctions, though analysts say that the meeting by itself would go some ways to calming investors who are increasingly jittery about China's struggling economy.

Bilateral meetings aren't always conducive to a personal touch, and Biden and Xi were flanked by advisers on opposite sides of a long table. However, a senior administration official said they spoke about their wives, and Biden wished Xi's wife a happy birthday.

The official, who requested anonymity to discuss a private conversation, said Xi was embarrassed, and he admitted that he had forgotten his wife's upcoming birthday because he's been working so hard.

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#417296: Nov 16th 2023 at 3:56:09 PM

If you're going to be a massive fraud, might as well go all the way with it.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#417297: Nov 16th 2023 at 3:56:47 PM

Pg. 35-36: "After the $50,000 from Red Stone was deposited into Representative Santos' personal accounts, the funds were used to, among other things: pay down personal credit card bills and other debt; make a $4,127.80 purchase at Hermes; and for smaller purchases at Only Fans; Sephora; and for meals and for parking."

So basically, he used campaign funds as though they were his own personal money.

Coincidentally, "George Santos won't seek reelection after House Ethics Committee report", according to the Washington Post.

Edited by fredhot16 on Nov 16th 2023 at 3:57:28 AM

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terumokou Pitiable and Illegally Dumped Object from In a bamboo forest full of bunnies, California Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Mu
Pitiable and Illegally Dumped Object
#417298: Nov 16th 2023 at 4:04:14 PM

About the only honest thing so far about Santos is that he's like every other grifter who uses other people's money for luxury goods and, for the lack of better words, e-thots.

Burning love!
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#417299: Nov 16th 2023 at 4:06:39 PM

And here comes a faces buffet for leopards.

Piqua residents demand answers at town hall after years-long lithium-ion battery burning program.

Residents came to us in September concerned about the water, air, and soil after the city had allowed lithium-ion batteries to be burned near the Great Miami River for the past five years.

Oh no! We voted for de-regulation and now we want to know why big government did nothing!

More women join lawsuit challenging Texas’ abortion laws

When Kimberly Manzano’s doctor first noticed some irregularities with her pregnancy, she turned to God, praying constantly for good news. When the diagnosis worsened, she and her husband sought comfort in the Bible’s Book of Hebrews — the book of hope.

Manzano and her husband, both devout Christians, decided the most loving thing they could do for their son was terminate the pregnancy. It was a difficult decision for the couple, who both considered themselves anti-abortion before this.

“I was grieving, I was processing all of this, and then I was also feeling like a criminal,” she recalled recently. “It’s dehumanizing … and it shouldn't be like this for health care.”

Pro-life women in Texas are on the find out phase of the policies they supported.

First in indoor plumbing, Von Ormy sees potential end to long wait for sewer system

Businessman and Houston native Casey Homer, age 33, was elected mayor in May. He succeeded Sally Martinez, who served for six years following Von Ormy’s early years as a “libertarian experiment,” when a previous administration sought to avoid big-city taxes and regulations.

Libertarian named Homer finds out that taxes are like, uhm, needed to run cities and stuff.

D'oh.

Marjorie Taylor Greene Book Snub Sparks Fury: 'Censorship!'

According to the Washington Examiner, Hudson Booksellers said in an email to Donald Trump Jr.'s Winning Team Publishing of its MTG book: "We wish you luck with your publishing endeavors, but we will not be carrying your title."

The party of book bans and allowing business to discriminate angry over private companies not wanting to carry their books.

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thok That's Dr. Title, thank you! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Non-Canon
That's Dr. Title, thank you!
#417300: Nov 16th 2023 at 5:11:48 PM

Coincidentally, "George Santos won't seek reelection after House Ethics Committee report", according to the Washington Post.

Based on his track record, I'm counting the hours until we learn about Santos' reelection campaign.


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