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#417076: Nov 9th 2023 at 1:08:07 PM

Was it worth it, putting up with him?

For over 1250 senate confirmed appointments, with 153 (and counting) being judicial appointments, plus the entire 2020-2022 legislative agenda? Yeah I think it was worth it.

Edited by Silasw on Nov 9th 2023 at 9:10:47 AM

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#417077: Nov 9th 2023 at 1:15:11 PM

Someone summed it up well onlinw

The number of people on the left applauding this just goes to show how many people aren't the least bit pragmatic.

He won't get replaced by some progressive Dem. He'll get replaced by some MAGA loon, who will NEVER support Dem initiatives.

Yes, Manchin sucked for so many reasons, but you'll be missing him when his replacement gets seated, I guarantee you

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#417078: Nov 9th 2023 at 1:18:12 PM

Wasn't this a long time coming, actually? I'm sure we had talked about Manchin making noises about retirement some time before.

Edited by fredhot16 on Nov 9th 2023 at 1:19:46 AM

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#417080: Nov 9th 2023 at 1:32:27 PM

[up] To address the half that's not joking, he's not joining the No Labels ticket, as they've said they want a moderate Republican to be their presidential nominee.

Independent run? Maybe, but I don't see him doing it. Who wants to be shunted into the same category as RFK Jr. and Cornel West?

Oh, that remind me; Jill Stein has replaced Cornel West as head of the Greene Party ticket.

Edited by Parable on Nov 9th 2023 at 1:32:47 AM

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#417081: Nov 9th 2023 at 1:34:01 PM

Is he leaving the democrats? I thought hell just be in more council Jobs now.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#417082: Nov 9th 2023 at 1:35:10 PM

I don’t believe he’s said he’s leaving the party, just that he’s going to stay politically active and try and find people who want to be bi-partisan.

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#417083: Nov 9th 2023 at 2:48:00 PM

I agree with the pragmatic approach here.

Yes, Manchin was a dick, but for his State, he was the best we could get.

We're all gonna wish him back soon.

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#417084: Nov 9th 2023 at 3:30:27 PM

The bigger problem was the inability to secure more senate seats elsewhere.

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#417085: Nov 9th 2023 at 3:40:32 PM

Well I'll just be the contrarian again, and ask him not to let the door hit his butt on the way out.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#417086: Nov 9th 2023 at 3:47:55 PM

Yeah Manchin was an ass who got power trippy when he became the deciding vote in the Senate.

Purgatoryisof2 Since: Aug, 2022
#417087: Nov 9th 2023 at 3:49:19 PM

Heard Manchin's leaving. Good luck to him, I guess. Based on his statements, I think he's going to try to run for the No Labels nomination at their April 2024 Dallas Convention, but I'm not sure he'll win. Otherwise, he can continue being some random rich tycoon safe and (probably) sound.

Also, yeah, guess Jill decided to help wrap up the Crazy Decade (which is wrapping up soon, one way or another)-she was there at the beginning, and I guess she'll be there at the end. Though I should note, there's a primary and convention, so she's not the nominee-for now, anyway.

Edited by Purgatoryisof2 on Nov 9th 2023 at 6:50:01 AM

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#417088: Nov 9th 2023 at 4:08:47 PM

"When my predecessor was in office, six factories closed across the country. Tens of thousands of auto jobs were lost nationwide, and on top of that he was willing to cede the future of electric vehicles to China," Biden said.

"Well, like almost everything else he said, he's wrong," Biden added. "And you have proved him wrong. Instead of lower wages, you won record gains. Instead of fewer jobs, you won a commitment for thousands of more jobs."

Someone gave Biden a red UAW sweater before his speech to the large and "boisterous" crowd of autoworkers in Illinois today, which he put on to celebrate their deal with the auto manufacturers. He said their victory would help workers across the nation, noting Toyota had also announced a wage increase despite not having union workers. He also praised the UAW President Shawn Fain for his leadership during the strike.

Biden bashed Trump for a September visit to Michigan, where he spoke at a nonunion shop amid the autoworkers strike. And the president blasted Trump's claims that the U.S. is a "nation in decline," prompting boos from the crowd and calls from one attendee to "jail Trump."

Recall that Biden went and joined the autoworkers on their picket line during the strike.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#417089: Nov 9th 2023 at 4:23:56 PM

"...calls from one attendee to "jail Trump."

See, now that's the difference between us and the Republicans. When we say it, the person actually deserves it.

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Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#417090: Nov 9th 2023 at 4:37:17 PM

And it doesn't become a crowd chant that the candidate just beams with approval at.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#417091: Nov 9th 2023 at 5:41:52 PM

There was also this amusing momemt where someone in the audience apparently fell down and, after making sure the person was okay, Biden quips, "I want the press to know that wasn't me!"

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Oh, bother.
#417092: Nov 9th 2023 at 5:47:26 PM

Yeah, Biden's very aware of how much some people want to portray him as senile and in poor health.

Disgusted, but not surprised
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#417093: Nov 9th 2023 at 5:55:36 PM

I took that as a reference to Trump's infamous attacks on people attending his rally.

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#417094: Nov 9th 2023 at 6:08:51 PM

Nah, a common joke/insult about Biden is how he constantly trips or falls over stuff, the most frequent ones being the ones where he trips up the stairs to Air Force One, or the one where he falls off his bike. It's very much self-deprecating humor.

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#417095: Nov 9th 2023 at 8:10:24 PM

...I'm going to take a wild guess and assume that nobody watched the most recent Republican debate last night.

Which is wholly understandable. I don't even remember if anybody here tried to report on the Republicans debates back in 2015-16.

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#417097: Nov 9th 2023 at 8:22:49 PM

From whatever little I got from other people posting clips on Twitter, it amounted to everyone throwing mud and rocks at each other I'm guessing.

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#417098: Nov 9th 2023 at 8:24:53 PM

About the only think I saw of note was Ramaswamy using Haley's daughter in an attack against her and Haley calling him scum in response.

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#417099: Nov 9th 2023 at 8:26:46 PM

Do they count as debates or they look like a really bad open mic night? Or a really low quality Yo Mama contest.

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#417100: Nov 9th 2023 at 8:27:28 PM

The "Vox Sentences" email I got about the debate had the headline: Everybody loses.

That probably says enough.

Edited by fredhot16 on Nov 9th 2023 at 8:27:39 AM

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