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Florien The They who said it from statistically, slightly right behind you. Since: Aug, 2019
The They who said it
#404326: Mar 15th 2023 at 7:09:31 PM

EDIT: pagetopper, this is about the Nebraska State Senator who's filibustering everything to prevent an anti-trans bill making it to the floor and to prove a point.

She's not blocking the bill itself, she's blocking EVERY bill. She's refusing to allow the legislative queue to advance at all.

Which, good job, and it's a talking filibuster too, so impressive as well.

Edited by Florien on Mar 15th 2023 at 7:11:10 AM

CelestialMacaw from in a drywall room Since: Dec, 2022 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
#404327: Mar 15th 2023 at 7:21:28 PM

Good for her.

i sniff ground crayons and cheeto dust
aidreamer Since: Aug, 2011
#404328: Mar 15th 2023 at 8:48:00 PM

"Children aren't allowed to drive cars, but we're encouraging them to cut off their reproductive organs?!?"

- Some MAGATs completely missing the point.

It's amazing how hypocritical rightwingers are, "protecting" children by preventing them from being themselves and then accusing us of being "groomers".

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#404329: Mar 15th 2023 at 8:57:59 PM

Every accusation by the GOP is a confession.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#404330: Mar 15th 2023 at 8:58:56 PM

And I still have to point out that the surgery is mostly allowed when the transitioning person hit 18.

So, by then they are legally adults.

Inter arma enim silent leges
Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#404331: Mar 15th 2023 at 8:59:53 PM

It cannot be emphasized enough that no one is performing gender-affirming surgeries on minors. No one. It does not happen. The idea is a boogeyman.

Edited by Perseus on Mar 16th 2023 at 3:00:22 AM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#404332: Mar 15th 2023 at 9:04:11 PM

And the GOP are all to happy to scream about wanting to increase the age of voting to take away their right to vote, but will sell guns and throw them into the military to die for them by the same age, and in the case of girls they want to impregnate them as young as possible before they reach 18.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Mar 15th 2023 at 9:04:37 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
aidreamer Since: Aug, 2011
#404333: Mar 15th 2023 at 10:33:51 PM

Not so much the military these days actually. Well, maybe among "moderates", but not among the MAGATs.

I'll give them some credit, judging by what I've seen on their forums, they seem to have finally figured out that wars are more about seizing resources for rich people than "spreading democracy". It's one reason they consider the Neocons to be "traitors" and "Rinos".

Mostly though, rightwingers believe that the military has gone "woke", that the military's leadership has been taken over by "commies", that "patriots" are being purged, and that those who remain are being given vaccines designed to sterilize them.

They honestly believe that we ultimately plan to send all of them to gulags, if not exterminate them completely. It's one of the reasons they are radicalizing. As such, they are no longer encouraging kids to go to the military.

Edited by aidreamer on Mar 15th 2023 at 10:34:14 AM

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#404334: Mar 15th 2023 at 11:37:06 PM

To clarify on something, any sort of gender surgery on minor is only done in the case of emergencies. Outside of that, you must be an adult to get one.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#404335: Mar 16th 2023 at 12:00:35 AM

I've heard rumours of Ukrainian soldiers getting training over here too but why would they come all the way to bloody Greece for likely subpar training is beyond me. Naturally the rumors seem to come from the usual "America/West always bad" folks.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#404336: Mar 16th 2023 at 12:38:42 AM

judging by what I've seen on their forums, they seem to have finally figured out that wars are more about seizing resources for rich people than "spreading democracy".

Just in time for a war that breaks the trend and sees an actual defence of democracy and the right of self-determination.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#404337: Mar 16th 2023 at 12:52:08 AM

Just in time for a war that breaks the trend and sees an actual defence of democracy and the right of self-determination.

That's true of the Ukrainian side, but the Russian side is definitely seizing resources for rich people under the veil of "Denazification".

Edited by Diana1969 on Mar 16th 2023 at 2:52:24 PM

JethroQWalrustitty Since: Jan, 2001
#404338: Mar 16th 2023 at 12:53:15 AM

the one gender affirming surgery that is performed with any regularity on minors is masectomies. However, IIRC they are outnumbered by the number of breast reductions done on cis boys who have heavy breast growth.

Also, you don't cut the penis off for vaginoplasty, you split it in half. This is a weird nitpick, but I just want to point that out.

Florien The They who said it from statistically, slightly right behind you. Since: Aug, 2019
The They who said it
#404339: Mar 16th 2023 at 1:12:22 AM

The other gender related surgery performed on minors (I won't call it confirming because it's non-consensual and may lead to distress later) is to remove visibly intersex characteristics at or shortly after birth.

Which, that's a whole thing.

JethroQWalrustitty Since: Jan, 2001
#404340: Mar 16th 2023 at 1:17:36 AM

yep, all those anti-youth transition bills always carve out exceptions for intersex reassignment, because as we all know, sex and gender is such an immutable binary that it must be enforced.

Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#404341: Mar 16th 2023 at 1:18:02 AM

I remember last year one state — I think it was Ohio — tried to pass a bill outlawing surgeries on minors.

It failed once they realized that, by its wording, it would also stop them from "fixing" intersex babies.

Yeah.

Edited by Perseus on Mar 16th 2023 at 7:25:44 PM

Bexlerfu Khatun of the Azim Steppe from Mol Iloh Since: Nov, 2020
Khatun of the Azim Steppe
#404342: Mar 16th 2023 at 2:53:07 AM

The irony being that circumcision, which conservatives are usually neutral or okay with, might be closer to "cutting a penis out" than vaginoplasty.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#404343: Mar 16th 2023 at 6:52:11 AM

"It's amazing how hypocritical rightwingers are, "protecting" children by preventing them from being themselves and then accusing us of being "groomers"."

One thing to keep in mind is that, by the very nature of being conservatives, they possess a mindset that is oriented toward finding aspects of life that are unchanging, things that provide certainty in a chaotic world. The idea that everything is a form of self-expression and that individuals should be completely free from external restrictions, and that the entire world should be expected to respect that, isn't so much wrong from their perspective as incomprehensible. I know conservatives who look at trans people go "what?" They really can't understand why anyone would want to do that.

The groomer thing is dishonest propaganda.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
aidreamer Since: Aug, 2011
#404344: Mar 16th 2023 at 7:10:10 PM

What's the general consensus on puberty blockers? It's another one of the things righties like to whine about when it comes to gender-affirming care. They accuse it of being some sort of "Big Pharma" scam "causing irreversible harm". I'm not really well informed enough on this topic to come up with counterarguments, especially when they bring up potential side effects.

NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#404345: Mar 16th 2023 at 7:13:38 PM

To the best of my knowledge, they don't cause any harm irreversible or otherwise. Any effects caused by them can easily be fixed by... not taking them.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#404346: Mar 16th 2023 at 7:52:03 PM

[up][up][up]Sure but is propaganda that is working, if you cant get trans people and some other conservative tell you they are weird groomer, is easy to jump from A to B.

Also when people said "let the child express themselves" the idea is "I will let then with resonable limits" and of course conservative can be quite behind in that area.

In fact by some tweets I have seen, there is a sort of new media is evil behind the whole thing.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Noaqiyeum we must dissent (it/they) from across the gulf of space (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
we must dissent (it/they)
#404347: Mar 16th 2023 at 8:12:03 PM

[up][up][up] They're easily reversible, and in fact they're also prescribed to cis children at even younger ages to prevent them from starting puberty too early.

ERROR: The current state of the world is unacceptable. Save anyway? YES/NO
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#404348: Mar 16th 2023 at 8:29:38 PM

Sanofi will cut the price of it's primary insulin by 78% and establishing a $35 monthly cap for those with insurance.

Insulin manufacturers have come under increased public and government pressure to lower their prices for more people with diabetes in the wake of the Inflation Reduction Act, which set a $35 cap per insulin prescription per month for Medicare beneficiaries.

Sanofi is also cutting the list price of its short-acting Apidra insulin by 70%.

CelestialMacaw from in a drywall room Since: Dec, 2022 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
#404349: Mar 16th 2023 at 9:52:55 PM

Apparently it's mostly due to changing Medicare rules, the IRA, and a growing number of competing firms.

i sniff ground crayons and cheeto dust
JethroQWalrustitty Since: Jan, 2001
#404350: Mar 17th 2023 at 1:03:58 AM

I doubt the fake Eli Lily tweet was what clinched it, but it was a domino in the chain of dominos falling. Thanks, Elon


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